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Explaining Democrat Policy

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by GenSeneca, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. GenSeneca

    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    Democrats - I refer to those in Washington, the ones I watch on C-Span telling me how much better they could run the country through the power of government. These people are dangerous to America in so many ways...

    First, a little about Socialism: Socialism preys on the fact that there is no perfect system. Democratic Socialism points to, or creates, flaws in a democratic system of government to then exploit the weakness by injecting permanent government "solutions" in its place. These solutions often are far worse than the problem - so the Government must provide several more "Solutions" to fix the "Unintended Consequences" that resulted from the original.

    Slowly but surely, like an infectious, parasitic disease, Socialism has been spreading through our body politic.

    1. Mortgages. The current debacle over "predatory lenders": Democrats in Congress found that relatively few loans were being issued to upper lower class citizens and, using their preferred argument, said that "poor and minorities were hardest hit" by this inequity, making them victims of discrimination.

    The Mortgage lenders argued it was a legitimate business practice to refuse loans based on projected long term ability to repay the debt. The Democrats pounced on the fact that loans to the lower classes were charged the highest rates while the upper classes received much lower rates, again claiming victimization.

    The Lenders retorted by pointing out that the loans garnishing the highest rates were also the highest risk and historically more likely to be defaulted upon by the client. Defaulted loans cost the company a considerable amount of capital, which subjects the companies shareholders to lower rates of return on their investment, and nobody like to foreclose on a home.

    Congress deemed it a discriminatory practice and threatened fines if more high risk loans were not granted. To avoid the fines, companies began issuing more of the high risk loans, with traditional high risk rates, and it wasn't long before some of these loans were being defaulted upon by the client and forced into foreclosure. Placed in this catch 22 by the government, the lenders were now forced back into Congress and asked to explain the explosion in defaulted loans.

    Congress is again crying foul. Now these companies are "Predatory Lenders" and Democrats in Congress want the government to step in and purchase the debts. This allows the companies to continue issuing loans to high risk clients, without taking a direct risk in loss of revenue, and keeps freshly defaulted loans supplied to the government, at taxpayer expense. All the while manufacturing a negative view of these companies in public opinion.

    Using this tactic of creating problems where there were none, as an excuse for greater governmental intervention, private lenders will be squeezed out of the mortgage lending business, like the buyout of Bear Stearns, while government slowly takes its place with bureaucratic agencies like HUD. Eventually, after the butchering of lenders reputation in the public and the Democrats railing about mounting losses to the taxpayer, the people will demand government takes over even more of the private mortgage lending.

    Foreclosures in the private sector are something Democrats pretend to care about - because they can say the free market has failed when they set it up for failure. Democrats are never asked about the RECORD number of TAX foreclosures.... You owe money to a bank? Government will pay for you with taxpayer money. You owe money to the Government? HUD will be taking your home and selling it at auction.
    Control, Redistribution, Dependency.

    2. Taxes. Every single Democrat is pushing, as they always do, for higher taxes across the board. The newest vehicle for creating this heavy progressive tax resides in fears of Global Warming. The Democrats have not proposed any "solutions" to GW that didn't invovle massive new taxes and control in all areas of public life.... including a tax for those who wish to fire up the grill during the summer. Control through taxation.

    3. The Death Tax/Estate Tax. Democrats are the biggest proponents of the death tax, insisting that its not only a necessity but also not "progressive" enough and should be raised. They openly admit in Congress that this is the best way to prevent the inheritance of wealth, which they argue is better served if redistributed. i.e. absorbed by the state. Failure to redistribute this wealth hits poor and minorities the hardest. Redistribution of Wealth.

    4. Universal Healthcare. They started with the elderly, paraded them around as victims and demanded they be taken care of by the state. After that worked so well, they paraded out the children and got state sponsored care for them as well. Now the only segment of the population not covered is the middle group that already pays for the other two. They are the only group left and victimized by the most expensive, although the best, healhcare system in the world. So now the argument is, they should be covered as well, starting with the poor and minorities.

    Democrats are best buddies with Trial lawyers - who sue doctors and hospitals out of business for a living - so one of the major causes for the cost of healthcare is not addressed by Democrats, frivolous and exorbitant lawsuits to healthcare providers. Around 80% of lawsuits are settled out of court, so lawyers have to do very little work to get a very big paycheck. The cost is then passed on from the hospital, or doctor, to the people under their care and the consumers split that bill. Allowing this practice to continue has served the Democrats intended purpose - to make healthcare something people want the Government to provide. Dependency.

    5. Education. Higher education brings with it the associated costs, which have grown by as much as 17% a year. Colleges charge for their service based upon the capitalist principle of supply and demand. Democrats in government are always pushing for greater sums of money to be made available for those wishing to attend college.

    Democrats have super saturated the market with the availability of government money, making the supply of money far greater than the demand. This imbalance allows the colleges to raise rates far more than necessary every year. The Democrats cry foul that the costs are growing so quickly and once again complain that poor and minorities are hardest hit, thus more government money must be made available to counter the inequity. This completes the illusion which has been repeated every election cycle in Congress.

    Eventually the amount of revenue going to education will make it more cost effective for government to take over higher education altogether, in the socialist image of European Universities.
    Dependency, Control, Indoctrination.

    6. Urban Sprawl. Urban sprawl is the derogatory term bandied about by Democrats, meant to dissuade the decentralization of populations. Democrats like people crammed into cities where they are more dependent on the local government for transportation and other necessities. Allowing the spread of sprawl removes much needed revenue from the cities, with the poor and minorities hardest hit by this reduction. City dwellers are less likely to own property and property owners are more likely to vote Republican. Hence the concentration of Democrat districts in urban and coastal areas while the Republicans dominate the sub-urban and rural areas of the nation.
    Consolidation of Power and Increased Dependency.
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    Everything the Democrats do has the effect of Consolidating and Centralizing Power away from individuals, Redistributing Wealth, Controlling the Population as well as creating new programs that expand the number people dependent on the government. Pure, unadulterated Socialism thats creeping up slowly.

    Democrats have the uncanny ability to point to Republicans and make them out to be a force for evil and corruption. Never mind that Democrats outspend Republicans in earmarks by a 3-1 ratio... Don't let it bother you that Democrats are criminally indicted and found guilty - also in nearly a 3-1 ratio against Republicans. While the Democrats have the country watching out the window - looking at the Republicans for signs of Fascism, Democrats are sneaking an authoritarian Socialist State through the back door.

    Giving Democrats a big ol pass when they fail, but insisting Republicans are thrown out, just makes things worse.... Just look at Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco, both were horribly inept leading up to and after the disaster in New Orleans but we all know Bush, 2000 miles away, is the one blamed for Katrina.

    Before I'm written off as a Republican Cheerleader - the Republicans have a bad reputation and are watched under a microscope, all for good reason and that shouldn't change. However, Democrats should receive the same scrutiny we place on Republicans and both should be held to the same standard.
     
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    Whoah there, don't toss this into the Conspiracy Isle just yet...

    The Third Way

    See any familiar names?

    I chose just one issue from the Third Way's list of issues, Middle Class. Here is what they say about the issue:

    Any of it look familiar?

    Now that I know where Obama is getting his Political advice and talking points, I can really mess with his supporters.... :cool:
     
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    Well said, I agree with all of it.

    I especially liked the description “infectious, parasitic disease”

    That about summed it up!
     
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    People like this poison the minds of others with their senseless blather, and such talk runs rampant on the floor of Congress...

    The math:
    $5k per second =
    $423 Million per day
    $3 Billion, 24 Million a Week
    $12 Billion, 96 Million a Month
    $145 Billion, 152 Million a Year
    Which works out to being....
    $725,760,000,000 over the last 5 years.

    It should be clear to anyone with more than one functioning brain cell that this far exceeds our ENTIRE military budget.

    The National Priorities Project have their own estimates - said to be based on estimates from the CBO - and they have slightly lower numbers:
    $3951 per second
    $341.4 Million per day.
    $2 Billion, 389.8 Million per week
    $9 Billion, 559.2 Million per month
    $114 Billion, 710.4 Million per year
    $573,552,000,000 Over the last 5 years...
    Yet their debt clock shows....
    $532,341,700,000 and counting, thats more than 40 billion dollars difference in their own estimates and a whopping $193,418,300,000 difference from the claims made in the NYT's editorial.

    I want to zero in on the two examples cited, 11k Border guards OR 9k Po-lease for the cost of one day's spending in Iraq (423 million):

    11k border guards, splitting 423 Million dollars would work out to $38,454 each.... Roughly their annual salary.
    9k Cops, $47,000, ostensibly annual salary.

    They over-estimated the cost of IRAQ (which clearly includes far more than Iraq spending) to come up with these figures. Lets apply the NPP numbers:

    11k guards = $31,036 Almost poverty
    9k Cops = $37,933 nearly 10k less

    So it appears the mantra of Iraq costing us $5k/sec all began with unsupported, unsubstantiated, highly specious claims found in the above editorial from Nicholas D. Kristof.

    Back to Congress....

    We do spend a huge amount of money in Iraq... So either we can afford it or we cannot. That is the question, do you think we can afford to continue that spending?

    Well, Democrats feel that the spending is A-OK, as long as THEY get to spend it. Pull out of Iraq, and with all the money we save, we can do millions of other wonderful philanthropic endeavors around the world and here at home.

    Eventually, the war in Iraq will end. Democrats re-allocating that money to permanent programs will ensure we are strapped with excessive spending forever.

    Double whammy... Re-invest that money, you know, the money we cannot afford to spend. Did he say we spend $46 million every four hours in Iraq?

    That works out to....
    $3194 Per Second
    $276 Million Per day
    $1 Billion, 932 Million Per week
    $7 Billion, 728 Million Per month
    $92 Billion 736 Million Per year
    $463,680,000,000 over the last 5 years... - Obama's Numbers
    $573,552,000,000 over the last 5 years... - NPP's Numbers
    $725,760,000,000 over the last 5 years... - Kristof's Numbers
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    The left needs to get their stories, and numbers, straight.
     
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    You think $5000 per second is expensive....

    In 2007 we spent HERE AT HOME:

    2 Trillion, 38.6 Billion = 2,038,600,000,000 (Debt, Defense and Foreign affairs budgets have been eliminated and I have included ONLY budgets that were spent domestically)

    Government Spending at home:

    $10,193,000,000,000 over the last 5 years (IDK what comes after Trillion, but thats 10 of 'em)
    $156,385,753,424 per month
    $39,096,438,356 per week
    $5,585,205,479 per day
    $232,716,894. per hour
    $3,878,614 per second
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    How much money do Liberals need to build Utopia?
     
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    Government Spending at home:

    $10,193,000,000,000 over the last 5 years

    (IDK what comes after Trillion, but thats 10 of 'em)


    I found out what comes after Trillion: Quadrillion

    million
    billion
    trillion
    quadrillion
    quintillion
    hexillion
    heptillion
    octillion
    nonillion
    decillion
    unodecillion
    duodecillion <--Get to know this term, you will need it to understand our debt

    Republicans and Democrats working together for a bankrupt tomorrow. :)
     
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    wow, talking to yourself is fun, eh?

    just one little tidbit:


    the new leader of the democratic party wants to lower my taxes, and there's an 80% chance he wants to do the same for you.
     

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    Its probably more of a blog topic, I'll give you that... Nobody can defend Democrat policy because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

    This is whats called "Front-Loading" the taxes. Its class warfare at its finest... Do you think having the top 20% of America pay ALL the taxes for the rest of the country is "fair"? Its the antithesis of fair as far as I'm concerned.

    You're also ignoring the indirect taxes and other economic burdens those loving, compassionate Democrats force onto us... All those taxes on business get passed right along to the consumer but because their indirect - Democrats get away with it from their constituency.

    Additionally, you chopped off Global Warming from my explanation of how Democrat taxes will effect everybody... Probably because you know its true, GW legislation will negatively effect everybody and the poor will be the hardest hit.
     
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    Scuze me while I talk to myself again....

    Any Democrat voters care to defend this "Gender Parity" legislation? I'm curious to know just how many voted Democrat in hopes such landmark legislation could be passed.
     
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    Can't be true. Clearly this is another Democrap funny numbers game. McCains numbers were more realistic.

    First, on the low end, my taxes or not high enough for them to give me a $500 tax cut. So, in order to do this, they would have to cut other taxes, like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and such. Do you think Obama is going to do that? Of course not. So this is a lie.

    Second, on the high end, he could raise taxes, but that would simply result in less revenue. Everyone should know that when taxes on the rich are raised, the rich move their money off shore, or take stock options, or have payment in corporate jets or other benefits. The net result is always lowered revenue. The would mean Obama would be forced to either raise taxes on the lower-middle class again, or institute other taxes to compensate.

    No matter how you look at it, the Obama numbers are a wash.
     
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    To be totally honest, I'd rather have McCain and higher taxes than the presumptive DNC post turtle and lower taxes.

    For those that don't know what a "post turtle" is, a post turtle is exactly what the name implies, a turtle sitting atop a post. You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.
     
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    Democrat voters... Come out come out wherever you are!

    Defend the people and policies you will be voting into office. Prove your capacity for intellectual honesty by participating...

    I invite you to post ANY Democrat policy, issue or legislation and defend it based on its merit with verifiable facts. Your silence says it all....

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    Since the Democrats took control of Congress:


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    Democrats and the PAYGO scam:


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    The Pelosi Premuim:


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    RSC's Budget School:



    9 Trillion dollars in debt...

    We need more CONSERVATIVES in Congress.
     
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    I have asked twice now, an open question about how democrap/liberal policy would help... after a half dozen non-answers... one said "I know it won't help, I just like the idea."... which of course inspired me to be a democrap too.

    In the end, not one person could reasonably explain how their policies would help anything. :)
     
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    I find it amusing that when it comes to calling McCain a flip flopper, or making fun of his age, or making fun of Bush's speech problems...liberals are out in full force...but when it comes to actually debating over cold hard facts, and solutions to problems...they are no where around. HHHHHMMMM what a mystery.
     
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