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Fact checking Trump Part A

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  1. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    Tweet #1: NATO countries paying their fair share:
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    source: AP
     
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    Has he obtained agreement from NATO members to increase their contribution ? Yes, and it's not pennies. When was the last time that happened? As I recall, never.
     
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    No. It's not a "contribution" in the first place, and there's no money "pouring in" in the second place. Check the link.
     
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    That is left to be seen! IF other NATO country contribute more toward THEIR OWN DEFENSE, it will be targeted toward fighting terrorism, NOT toward building new super ship or nuclear missiles. . .which is what Trump is interested in in order to get more contract for the US defence industry.

    By the way, the "2%" contribution has NEVER been into a fixed, set contract. It is a "goal" that most countries have agreed to, without ever promising to setting it into a "done deal!"
     
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    By the way, the "2%" contribution has NEVER been into a fixed, set contract. It is a "goal" (a pledge) that most NATO countries have agreed to, without ever promising to setting it into a "done deal!" And. . .the "goal" to reach that 2% was only set in 2014 and is to be reached by 2024!

    So. . .Trump is being extremely demanding and very "loose" with "facts" about countries not meeting their share! They do have until 2024. . .if they wish!
     
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    Correct again. . .but the goal is to reach that 2% of GDP target by 2014. . .and it is NOT an obligation, but a pledge.

    Just as the G7 had PLEDGED to support the development of new technology to limit the use of fossil fuel and pollution.

    Apparently, Trump doesn't believe a "pledge" is very important. . . so why does he believe other nations would take the "pledge" of 2% of GDP more seriously?
     
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    NATO is an arms dealing ring for the US so what does the US care apart from arms sales and influence?
    I'm assuming that the KSA deal will help the ailing US arms makers whilst the EU puts more cash up?
     
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    OK

     
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    The French and English MN ake their own jets etc. Germany may be prohibited. AnD there are roughly 38000 US troops deployed in europe. It's considerably more than some arms sales. It protects the entire economy there.
     
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    NATO data confirmed Tuesday showed that last year spending increased in real terms by 3.8 percent among European allies and Canada. This boosted NATO's funds by about $10 billion. Even though such figures were slightly above expectations, Stolenberg told reporters the momentum has to continue.

    The new U.S. administration has repeatedly said that all 28 NATO members have to comply with their commitment to the spending target. At the moment, only five of them respect the 2 percent contribution: the U.S., Greece, the U.K., Estonia and Poland.
     
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    All 28 NATO members have to comply with their commitment to the spending target, or else what?
    Only five of them respect the 2 percent contribution, but the money is just pouring in.
     
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    It is now.
     
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