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Fact-Checking Trump’s Immigration Tweets

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    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    Fact-Checking Trump’s Immigration Tweets

    Plus three more that don't pass the fact check (otherwise known as the smell) test.

    Seems Trump is one of the most fact challenged presidents in recent memory.

    OK, Trumpeteers, defend him. Trot out a Democrat who has said something outrageous, or perhaps defend his actual statements if you can. Fake news?
     
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    It's unclear here what we are "fact checking"....

    DACA is "dead" for people who want to enroll now. Court's have, for now, blocked the termination of the program for those already enrolled - but what is the argument here....that the Executive Branch cannot end an Executive program? That is absurd. Even the Court has said as much.

    Here is a quote from one Judge:
    "Defendants indisputably can end the DACA program. The question before the court is thus not whether defendants could end the DACA program, but whether they offered legally adequate reasons for doing so. Based on its review of the record before it, the court concludes that defendants have not done so."

    DACA is going to die (unless Congress acts) - it's really just a question of when.


    The other quote about the "nuclear" option doesn't even make any sense. It's not "fact challenged" to put political pressure on the Majority Leader of the Senate to try to get your legislative agenda moved.
     
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    Trump attempted to end DACA, but the courts didn't approve his EO, so DACA is still in force. It might end, but it's not dead yet.
     
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    It is a little more nuanced than that. It is "dead" for any new applicants. The Court said that current participants in the program are allowed to continue to renew their status but that new applications are not required to be processed. If one of the people in DACA leaves the country they are not required to be allowed back in... etc etc.

    As soon as we can get past the judicial overreach here we can all get back to the common sense notion that the Executive Branch can end an executive program.

    DACA isn't "dead", but it's on life-support unless Congress acts.
     
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    No, it is not dead. It might be without Congressional action, but that remains to be seen. Let's look at another of Trump's claims:

    Seems odd he'd claim DACA was dead, and the migrants are heading to the US to take advantage of that dead program. Sounds a lot like doublethink to me.
     
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    I mostly read his "DACA is dead" as a policy shift that he is not willing to deal anymore on the issue - but we will see what Congress does - if anything.

    As noted - its stupid to claim the people coming now are doing do because of DACA - as they don't even qualify under the rules. Most of the immigrants from Central America apply for asylum when they arrive. DACA really has nothing to do with it - Trump's comments don't make any sense on this one.
     
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