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Fundamentals of conservatism

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Dr.Who, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. Dr.Who

    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    What do you think are the most important and positive?

    I would brainstrorm and say:

    limited gov
    life, lib, and pursuit of happiness (including property rights)
    free speech
    freedom of religion
    rule of law
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    I'd add principle.
     
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    Is there room for Individualism?

    Sadly, I think most "Conservatives" are collectivists/altruists and that's why they are totally incapable of offering a cogent argument against the more extreme collectivist/altruistic policies of the Left. Most so called "Conservatives" only differ from full blown Progressives by degree (style), not substance.
     
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    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    Ok so at this time we have:

    limited gov
    life, lib, and pursuit of happiness (including property rights)
    free speech
    freedom of religion
    rule of law
    principles (obviously very important but hard to put into a platform)
    individulaism (which I think are supported by rights belonging to individuals)

    To me one teaches these and what follows is that people will become conservative automatically.
     
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    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Government is there to protect our rights, and for no other purpose. Everything else is up to us (We the People).
     
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    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    Yes yes yes! Thank you for bringing us back to that. So for example when it was suggested that being principled was an important conservative ideal we can view that in terms of protecting rights. If a politician lies to us then he is committing a kind of fraud and violating our rights.

    Every item on the list so far is clearly about protecting rights. And every argument that we make needs to always bring it back to a clear defense of rights.
     
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    Aus22 Well-Known Member

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    Your list is the same as my Beliefs except Limited Government . And I am not a Conservative but a Socialists.
     
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    Do most socialists you know agree with those things too? Or does that stem from your Catholic background?
     
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    Aus22 Well-Known Member

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    Most Socialist or Labor Parties in the western world are form by Catholics.
     
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    Ah I didnt know that. I guess I should be really happy our founders were not catholic :)
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    what you folks fail to see is that the two are mutually exclusive.
     
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    ''Most Socialist or Labor Parties in the western world are form by Catholics''

    I think this statement says in many ways how idiotic you have to be to hold the views cited above.
     
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    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    The US is not the land of the free

    It has 5% of the world's population ad 25% of the world's prison population

    It imprisons more children than any other developed nation on earth.

    It practices torture

    It executes innocent people

    It imprisons people without trial

    It has started more wars than any other nation on earth, deifying soldiers on the way out and shitting on them when they come home

    It is institutionally racist and makes crimes committed more by blacks punishable by much harsher sentences to keep its privatised prisons full and their owners rich

    It makes up lies about other countries to justify attacking them

    And it makes gun ownership legal even though the country that kills most Americans is America.

    The US is a cess pit and the GOP is a bunch of rich white nazis who manipulate idiots to write illiterate crap like ''Most Socialist or Labor Parties in the western world are form by Catholic''
     
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    Dr Who, et al,

    These are certainly important concepts and fundamental to America. But there is something else.

    (COMMENT)

    There is a growing need in America for a new breed of politician, a person of integrity, and good moral character. A person that understands that when they are elected to represent their constituents to Washington, that they set aside their personal beliefs and becomes one that serves the interests of the people that elected them to office.

    So many times an elected official goes to Washington thinking that they are there to exercise their personal agenda, for the furtherance of their influence and power. This is the cornerstone to the problem of gridlock in Washington. They are not acting in the best interest of the constituency that elected them, but in the name of something else.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    As Bush said, the republicans are ''for the haves and have yachts''

    They don't care about you and if you think they do they are delusional.

    They are happy to see the world's largest spend on healthcare achieve 39th position in the world rankings of quality of service

    They are happy to see millions of Americans choose between food and healthcare

    They hate you if you are not very rich and you are too blind to see it.

    They fob you off with patriotism and nonsense about freedom of speech

    And boy do you fall for it
     
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