Future of the GOP

[Libsmasher]

This thread is for conservatives to discuss what the GOP should do in the wake of what will probably be a complete disaster on election day, not only for the GOP but the country. Liberals will please not post, and the two or so junior grade leftwing wacko cadets in residence (you know who you are) are very specifically disinvited.

The GOP has had a problem with RINO presidents - they tend to be followed by the worst of the democrat party: Nixon/Ford followed by Carter, Bush I by Bubba clinton (not anywhere near as bad as Carter, but bad enough), and now Bush II by obama. There will of course be a lot of blaming and second guessing in the wake of the calamity. One species of RINO always pops up after these defeats and tries to convince republicans that they have to be pseudo-democrats in the future to win. If there were any validity to that idea (which there isn't) - what would be the point? Rank and file republicans should support even more RINO RINOS just so the GOP can win? But who cares if it wins if it's just an alternate democrat party?

The republican party needs to return to it's roots - particularly on limiting spending. It also needs to stand fast (for the time being, only in it's pronouncements) against all the garbage of the democrat party: the race hustling, the war against free speech, the abortion holocaust, the attempts to dilute US sovereignty, the illegal alien invasion, etc etc.

If history is a guide, the people of this country will be ready as hell to hear what the GOP has to offer after four years of McCarter, and the republican party has to spend that time cleaning house, and there's a lot to clean. Never again should the party be handed over to RINOs.

I solicit ideas from other conservatives on specific policy positions the new national GOP should adopt.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This thread is for conservatives to discuss what the GOP should do in the wake of what will probably be a complete disaster on election day, not only for the GOP but the country. Liberals will please not post, and the two or so junior grade leftwing wacko cadets in residence are very specifically disinvited.

C'mon....no one expects you to (actually) beg for input.

The GOP has had a problem with RINO presidents - they tend to be followed by the worst of the democrat party: Nixon/Ford followed by Carter, Bush I by Bubba clinton (not anywhere near as bad as Carter, but bad enough)...

That'd be Nobel Prize winner, Jimmy Carter.....and.....the pilot of The Greatest Economy This Country's EVER Experienced; Bill Clinton.

The republican party needs to return to it's roots - particularly on limiting spending. It also needs to stand fast (for the time being, only in it's pronouncements) against all the garbage of the democrat party: the race hustling, the war against free speech, the abortion holocaust, the attempts to dilute US sovereignty, the illegal alien invasion, etc etc.

Yeah....that's been The Problem....the Democratic Party.

"Karl Rove was a brilliant political strategist. He was an appalling Presidential policy adviser, which the American public began to feel in Bush's policies following his 2004 reelection. President Bush failed to recognize the destructive consequences of Rove's policy advice, until now. This fact speaks volumes of the ability and capacity of this President, who rode that personal loyalty horse with Rove and Gonzalez till it dropped dead beneath him. That loyalty over good judgment left Pres. Bush and the country on foot in the wilderness of Iraq, enormous debt and tax cuts, and a corruption of the U.S. Department of Justice."

The Republican Party decided they wanted another cowboy, in the Oval Office.....and, they got one....again.

Take responsibility for your OWN screw-ups, Libsmasher.

Lil' Dumbya has already used-up any "passes" accorded the Republican Party.

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I'm an independent with views all over the political spectrum so I hope it is OK for me to comment.

The true conservatives need to retake control of the GOP from the neo-conservatives. By true conservatives I mean those who favor a wall of separation between church and state to protect both from each other, smaller government, less interference with US and foreign state government rights and individual rights from the US federal government and fiscally tightfisted spending policies. If the true conservatives are unable to wrestle control of the party from the neo-conservatives they should organize a new party.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

the true conservatives need to retake control of the gop from the neo-conservatives.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GenSeneca]

The true conservatives need to retake control of the GOP from the neo-conservatives.

While that would be nice... The Democrat party used to be ANTI-SOCIALIST, like when JFK were around.... Now, you guys LOVE Socialism since the "Progressives" took over YOUR party.

Both parties need to return to the Constitution and founding principles of the country.... That means Free Market Capitalism, Individual Rights that are not at the whim of the "Common Good", Small government that's not so powerful that we actually have to WORRY about the OTHER side getting power, Lowest possible taxes to ensure growth for all citizens, and, something the Democrats have COMPLETELY abandoned, EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

While that would be nice... The Democrat party used to be ANTI-SOCIALIST, like when JFK were around.... Now, you guys LOVE Socialism since the "Progressives" took over YOUR party.

.....And (somehow) that's "migrated" to Wall $treet's apologi$ts.

 

[GenSeneca]

.....And (somehow) that's "migrated" to Wall $treet's apologi$ts.

I like that you don't even pretend to have intelligent comments, makes my job easier.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I like that you don't even pretend to have intelligent comments, makes my job easier.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....so, it's different when Republicans practice Socialism, huh?

I always appreciate how....when you're backed-into-a-corner....you still manage to find running-room.

 

[GenSeneca]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....so, it's different when Republicans practice Socialism, huh?

I always appreciate how....when you're backed-into-a-corner....you still manage to find running-room.

No its not different when Republicans do it... and I speak against it... Just as I have with the recent bailouts. Contrast that with yourself, who feels everything is the fault of Capitalism, free markets and Wall Street... YOU are advocating for these things to be replaced by Socialism YET you cannot bring yourself to be honest about that fact and admit to your support of Socialism.

I don't run, I stand firm on my beliefs and convictions, I openly state where my ideology stands and I'm willing to not only defend it but promote it. Again, contrast that with yourself... You seem to limit your own thought process to nothing more than one-liners and sarcasm, you can't stand on your own principles for fear of declaring what you really believe and thus link to the opinions of others to do the talking for you.... and then you complain about your own inability to put me in a corner, a power you have never, and will never, possess.

 

[Pandora]

What about just giving up on the Republican Party all together and letting the right wing Christians have it.

Their motto can be everyone should read the bible; no one should ever have an abortion, and kids do the pledge daily at school. Morals are good and we should strive to achieve excellence

Then also giving up on the democrat party and letting the left wing socialists take it.

Their motto can be God is dead long live Obama, no one should question you if you want to kill your kid even after they are born if your abortion was botched. Children should participate in flag burning at school, there are no such things as morals, if it feels good do it an never judge anyone except those nasty Christians. Strive to be the same as everyone else.


Then making a 3d party for the normal people

Their motto can be the constitution. Freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. If you want to assemble great if you don’t that is ok too! Freedom of what schools you will send your children to or school them at home. Abortion is a states rights issue. No shoving your lifestyle down other people’s throats. Smaller government,


Ronald Reagan and JFK were more alike than Obama and JFK. If the Republican Party could even be as conservative as a democrat from 1960 I would be happy.


I think most Americans fit somewhere in the middle than on the far left or far right.

 

[karrma]

Horay for dinosaur.
I jokingly call myself a Rockefeller republican, and dinosaur could be as apt, where I agree and disagree with the republican party. The republican party needs to hold up all the constitution, for separation of church and state, that private life is PRIVATE whether it is the daughter of a vice presidential candidate OR any othe young woman with a similar decision. It needs to stop attacking people personally for idea issues. I get deeply offended when someone states I may not be moral or christian or american because I believe in these values.

My favorite quote from the whole debate was when Joe Biden said that he recognized that Jessie Holms, who he has many differences of opinions from him, was a good person, with honest ideas.

 

[Libsmasher]

C'mon....no one expects you to (actually) beg for input.


That'd be Nobel Prize winner, Jimmy Carter.....and.....the pilot of The Greatest Economy This Country's EVER Experienced; Bill Clinton.


Yeah....that's been The Problem....the Democratic Party.



The Republican Party decided they wanted another cowboy, in the Oval Office.....and, they got one....again.

Take responsibility for your OWN screw-ups, Libsmasher.

Lil' Dumbya has already used-up any "passes" accorded the Republican Party.

Stay out of this thread asshole.

 

[Libsmasher]

I'm an independent with views all over the political spectrum so I hope it is OK for me to comment.

The true conservatives need to retake control of the GOP from the neo-conservatives. By true conservatives I mean those who favor a wall of separation between church and state to protect both from each other, smaller government, less interference with US and foreign state government rights and individual rights from the US federal government and fiscally tightfisted spending policies. If the true conservatives are unable to wrestle control of the party from the neo-conservatives they should organize a new party.

The ficticious "wall of separation" has NEVER been a conservative position.

 

[Libsmasher]

Geez - THERE ARE NO OTHER CONSERVATIVES HERE?? NONE??

 

[Chip]

I'm not a liberal.

The Republicans in 2008, like the Democrats in 2004, did not put their best foot forward.

Why?

Because once they knew that either Obama or Clinton would be their fall opponent, that coupled with Bush's understandably dismal approval rating, no more qualified and competitive candidate stepped up to spend his one-time war chest.

They caved before the get-go thus resulting in McCain, just as the Democrats did in '04 thus resulting in Kerry.

The problem isn't with either party, but with the way we choose our officials.

When candidates no longer have to pony up millions and millions of dollars to run for President, the quality of our options will improve.