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Give us a hope - Give USA hope

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by giveusahope, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. giveusahope

    giveusahope New Member

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    On Tuesday 4th November 2008, the American public goes to the polls to elect the 44th President of the United States of America

    The US President is arguably the most powerful head of state in the world. He holds an office that continues to exert its influence, to a greater or lesser degree, on all the peoples of the world, for better or for worse


    Give us a hope - Give USA hope


    Send a message of hope to America. www.giveusahope.com
     
  2. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    hope like Obama

    hope change hope change

    or hope like real hope that is not a slogan?
     
  3. Libsmasher

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    First, the claim (from your link) that foreigners don't influence the election is hogwash - as Obama's contributions from palestinians and other foreigners testify. Second, we already have enough Obama shills in the lib media, we don't need foreign ones. Third. the best way to give yourself hope is to stop supporting socialism and islamofascism.
     
  4. Shadow

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    Maybe instead of "hope"......... which can render nothing or empty promise, how about some self exploration as the US IS in a "crisis"~ psychological , political, economic ....essentially in all spheres.


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    America is a country badly in need of therapy. We don't know who we are anymore; everything is topsy-turvy. It's like we're suffering a national identity crisis and need a turn on the couch. There's just been too much change too fast and no one really knows what's going on. Even staunch conservatives are in a daze from the daily overload of bad news. Former basketball superstar Charles Barkley summed it up best when he was asked what political party he belonged to. He answered, "Well, I used to be a Republican, until they lost their minds." That's America in a nutshell; we've lost our minds.

    The torture thing was the last straw. That's where good old American values really took a shellacking. Of course, it never mattered to Bohemian Grove toga-crowd like Bush and Cheney. Why would they care?
    They just saw it as a way to increase their power and stick it to their enemies at the same time. It was a game, really. They'd just gouge out a few eyes and rip off a few fingernails no one would be the wiser. Besides, they thought, let the media soften up public attitudes; that's why they get paid for, right? Wrong. Attitudes really haven't changed that much about torture. Most people still think its wrong and think it should be illegal. More importantly, knowing that your country deliberately inflicts pain on people really matters; its a game-changer. It's not possible to respect a country that uses torture. What people feel is revulsion not respect. And, it's disturbing, too. It proves that something is rotten in America. We've become a nation of creeps.

    Who ever dreamed that we'd see the day when pundits and politicians would be debating whether torture really "works" or not. How low can we go? That kind of hairsplitting just proves that the country is already in the toilet. Its a pretty straightforward proposition if you think about it; countries that torture people are the enemies of human rights, democratic values and conventional standards of acceptable behavior. That's the long-winded way of saying that they're sickos. Just take a look at the photos from Abu Ghraib again; men dressed up in women's panties or stacked up naked in human pyramids. Some fun, eh? It's sick! The pyramid picture tells you everything you need to know about modern-day America. It's like taking a look in the mirror and seeing Dick Cheney's wizened face staring back. That's what the world sees now, and that's why they're scared, real scared. America is on a rampage and our moral compass is on the Fritz. That's a frightening prospect for everyone.

    Our national symbols have also taken a pasting since Bush took office; the American flag in particular. Old Glory used to embody our collective aspirations whether that meant "traditional values" or "liberty and justice". But no more. Now the flag has become the property of a small gaggle of neo-fascists and right-wing loonies who display their shiny brass lapel-pin on their chest to identify themselves among other like-minded wackos. They might as well put lightening rods on their collars for all the difference it makes.

    The American flag flies over every school, government office and major business across the country. It has been carried into every battle in every war the US has ever fought.Now it is draped lifelessly over the new century's most dreaded gulags; Abu Ghraib, Bagram Airforce Base, and the uber-symbol of American barbarism, Guantanamo Bay. What does the rest of the world think when they see the Stars and Stripes unfurled over an icon to human cruelty like Gitmo? Do they see a symbol of "freedom and opportunity" or do they see the Butcher's Apron spreading war and fear across the planet?

    America needs to spend a little time on the couch reassembling its shattered psyche and reconnecting with its inner-self. That means, sorting through the rubble of the Bush years and getting back to basics; a strong commitment to justice, human rights and personal liberty.
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    from:http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/16553
     
  5. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    That was a great post, aside from all the things you said that where wrong :)

    The US Never Invaded Iraq in 90-91...WE attacked it yes, but no we stoped short of a invasion ( oddly becuse many of the same said it would be a Quadmire ( see Rummy))

    2nd the US did not got to war...Basicily world went to war with Iraq. Just about every nation worth anything supported it. The Reason That whole Saddam invaded and took over Kuwait? You may have forgot...you know a UN Nation...

    But maybe you supported Iraq Invading ?
     
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    a play with semantics. Nothing more. But something the US has become very talented at. All they have to do is "frame" it with certain conoting semantics and the cool aid drinkers overdose.


    thanks for the link USHadit.
     
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    Just about every nation worth anything supported it.


    .......and you say this with a straight face????


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    More spin with a straight face:

    2nd the US did not got to war...Basicily world went to war with Iraq. Nice try........but as transparent as the LIES the idiot in washington tried to get away with. The only ones he fooled are HIS OWN PEOPLE. ......the americans. Everyone else (except those CONNED into being the coalition of the coerced ) saw this for what it was from the first lie about WMD. The fact the 'reasons" for the invasion/occupation was changed as often as a baby's diaper.........should have been a hot tip for even the dullest amerikan. Yet.......we read this kind of propaganda based silliness.

    such uninformed and unenlightened comments don't help the US "image" at all. Folks world wide are reading this......... and if one listens closely is laughing at the US ignorance and GULLIBILITY
     
  8. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm well you debate so well when you are not putting any facts on the table, and just make it up. The US never supported Iraq Invading Kawait. But I am sure you can back up that claim right?

    Canada stayed out? really cuz the nearly 3000 ( 2700) troops sent seems like they supported it. But ignore that............

    And Feel free to just say it, you would let Iraq have Kuwait, and don't care that they where invaded right?
     
  9. pocketfullofshells

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    Semantics? you have any idea how different a attack and a Full Invasion are? and you call that sementaics...thats like saying Hitler attacked Poland and France in WWII....just a smaller understatement.

    And yea sucks for the Iraq troops that died...after they invated a nation and for some reason that nation did not like it, and they got there ass handed to them becuse there leader was to retarded to know when to back off. The US did not Kill any Iraq Troops....Saddam killed his own with his dumb actions.
     
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    "Although a purpose was probably served because Canada knew what the current war was all about"

    So what you are saying is Canada knew it was about oil but supported it anyway? Yet all you do is sit here and cry about the US....Clean up your own house then.

    And I await your proof that the US supprted Iraq invading....Im sure will will be a long wait.
     
  11. BigRob

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    I am sure we are about to hear about claim that the ambassador saying the US does not get involved was the secret code for then to go to war.

    Problem is, this ignores basically every diplomatic practice ever when people try to use that as a basis for their moronic claims.
     
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