GOP voter fraud

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All those that have been complaining about ACORN...what do you have to say about this? We might start hearing about YPM in the media much in the same way we've heard about ACORN, all except for Faux News that is.


SACRAMENTO -- Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP-hired contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.

Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.


"I am not a Republican," insisted Karen Ashcraft, 47, a pet clinic manager and former Democrat from Ventura who said she was duped by a signature gatherer into joining the GOP. "I certainly . . . won't sign anything in front of a grocery store ever again."

It is a bait-and-switch scheme familiar to elections experts. The firm hired by the California Republican Party -- a small company called Young Political Majors, or YPM, which operates in several states -- has been accused of using the tactic across the country.

Elections officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM staff in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit. Prosecutors in Los Angeles and Ventura counties say they are investigating complaints about the company.The firm, which a Republican Party spokesman said is paid $7 to $12 for each registration it secures, has denied any wrongdoing and says it has never been charged with a crime.


The 70,000 voters YPM has registered for the Republican Party will help combat the public perception that it is struggling amid Democratic gains nationally, give a boost to fundraising efforts and bolster member support for party leaders, political strategists from both parties say. Those who were formerly Democrats will stop receiving phone calls and literature from that party, perhaps affecting its get-out-the-vote efforts.

Those voters also will be given only a Republican ballot in the next primary election if they do not switch their registration back before then.

Some also report having their registration status changed to absentee without their permission, so that if they show up to the polls without an absentee ballot they will be unable to vote.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story?track=rss
 
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Being a registered republican doesn't control their vote at the polls on election day.

As for being given a republican only ballot on primary day, Maybe it's the republicans who should be angry about what happened.
 
Does the GOP commit fraud? Yes, they do... I don't support it and will gladly do all in my power to stop it ON BOTH SIDES. That's more than can be said of you and your buddies...

Dozens

As opposed to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS who just happen to be in swing states....

The difference between me and you... you accept this activity from your side as a means to an end, while I stand against attempts at election rigging or fraud from both sides.

Enjoy the following about GOP fraud:

How to Rig an Election? Ask the Author

By Melissa Lafsky

We’ve covered the history of dirty politics in the U.S. here at Freakonomics. But what about the modern state of affairs?

Allen Raymond knows a thing or two about bending the rules in the electoral process. A former G.O.P. political operative who served as chief of staff to a co-chairman of the Republican National Committee and supervised numerous election victories, he saw his political career fall apart when he was sentenced to 3 months in federal prison for jamming Democrat-run phone lines during the 2002 New Hampshire Senate primaries. His new book, How to Rig an Election, co-written with Ian Spiegelman, details Raymond’s shenanigans. He kindly agreed to answer our questions.

Q: You discuss the “spinning of truth” that’s common practice in modern politics. What are the most frequent tactics employed?

A: Instead of tactics, how about a lesson from the master of spin himself, President William Jefferson Clinton? As a graduate student in 1992, I marveled when then-Governor Clinton spun a potential candidacy-killing story and outmaneuvered 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft during an interview about Clinton’s alleged affair with Gennifer Flowers. The masterstroke wasn’t when he blamed it on checkbook journalism, saying, “It was only when money came out, when the tabloids went down there offering people money to say they had been involved with me, that she changed her story.” No, it was when he immediately added, “There’s a recession going on.”

In ten seconds, Clinton went from denying a sordid sex scandal to bashing President George H. W. Bush on the economy. But more than that, he was actually pointing at Bush’s recession as the reason poor Ms. Flowers had to debase herself in the press. In this way, Clinton did all of the following simultaneously: got back to the message, “It’s the economy, stupid;” dismissed Flowers as a gold digger; and delivered it all with an air of compassion for his accuser that would satisfy the liberal female voters he needed to win the Democratic nomination. That kind of unparalleled spin talent deserves respect.
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Q: Is there really a line between “playing fair” and “cheating” in the electoral process? Is illegality the only measure of what can and cannot be done?

A: You don’t win any prizes for running a moral campaign. Success in politics is all or nothing: a candidate wins or loses, period, and either ends up with power (and the extreme likelihood of retaining power) or no power whatsoever. So the “right” thing is simply defined as the “winning” thing. The bright line of the law is really the only boundary. The rule of law is the only deterrent against bad actors, whether it’s in politics, business, government, or any other sector. Anything more than that is legislating morality, the alleged domain of organized religion and cults. But the other consideration beyond what’s legal is what’s effective: the best rule of thumb about a dirty trick is to consider how it will read in the newspapers if it’s discovered. That can be a pretty good deterrent as well –- for some, anyway.

Q: Given your experience, do you see the modern electoral process as inherently flawed? If so, how? Is there a way to fix it?

A: The system is fine; it’s the people within it that are the obstruction. Politics is a business with its own graduate level degrees, which means student loans that need to be repaid and a need for big money to repay them. How to Rig an Election is all about how election operatives (such as myself, previously) and the politicians who hire them have ensured that idealists can’t win elections. Mostly it is the cynics making the laws: they win power, they stay in power, and they keep power. The voters should have plenty of power in this mess, but they give it up during every election.

The electioneering tactics I write about it the book will only get nastier and more brutal, because the tricks of the trade are known, embellished upon, and passed forward by people like me to more people like me (or, like the person I had been paid to be). The competition is growing stiffer and the stakes are rising with every election. The only real solution is a savvy, committed electorate.

Now, you people in the peanut gallery... which person here is looking to solve the problems of Voter Fraud by encouraging the electorate to fight it on both sides.... and which one is tacitly supporting fraudulent activity by virtue of pretending their party has no involvement and instead chooses to point the indignant finger of blame to the other side?

GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT and people who vote for MORE GOVERNMENT are asking for MORE CORRUPTION.
 
Does the GOP commit fraud? Yes, they do... I don't support it and will gladly do all in my power to stop it ON BOTH SIDES. That's more than can be said of you and your buddies...

Dozens

As opposed to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS who just happen to be in swing states....

You didn't read the entire article...YPM is under investigation in at least 4 states....70,000 voters. In fact, their activities in many ways mirror those of ACORN...right down to the paying for registrations.

However, I don't see the condemnation of YPM from the usual suspects on this board, who couldn't wait to get their teeth into ACORN. Could it be because YPM is a GOP outfit? If so, it's just one more example of Republican hypocrisy on display.

Elections officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM staff in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit. Prosecutors in Los Angeles and Ventura counties say they are investigating complaints about the company.The firm, which a Republican Party spokesman said is paid $7 to $12 for each registration it secures, has denied any wrongdoing and says it has never been charged with a crime.

The 70,000 voters YPM has registered for the Republican Party
 
You didn't read the entire article...YPM is under investigation in at least 4 states....70,000 voters. In fact, their activities in many ways mirror those of ACORN...right down to the paying for registrations.

However, I don't see the condemnation of YPM from the usual suspects on this board, who couldn't wait to get their teeth into ACORN. Could it be because YPM is a GOP outfit? If so, it's just one more example of Republican hypocrisy on display.

it has never been charged with a crime.

ACORN has several CONVICTIONS in every election cycle.

And don't even think you can claim hypocrisy when you have EXCUSED ACORN for their activity... Like I said... You are totally cool with this happening on your side and make excuses for the same, nobody on your side has come out against ACORN and their tactics. At least I have spoken out against YPM and ACORN because I care about keeping our elections free of such filth.
 
it has never been charged with a crime.

ACORN has several CONVICTIONS in every election cycle.

And don't even think you can claim hypocrisy when you have EXCUSED ACORN for their activity... Like I said... You are totally cool with this happening on your side and make excuses for the same, nobody on your side has come out against ACORN and their tactics. At least I have spoken out against YPM and ACORN because I care about keeping our elections free of such filth.

I never excused ACORN's efforts, what I did say is that Bugs and Mickey likely wouldn't be voting. However, switching a voter's party allegiance without their knowledge, such as YPM is accused of doing, can have actual consequences.

Those who were formerly Democrats will stop receiving phone calls and literature from that party, perhaps affecting its get-out-the-vote efforts.

Those voters also will be given only a Republican ballot in the next primary election if they do not switch their registration back before then.

Some also report having their registration status changed to absentee without their permission, so that if they show up to the polls without an absentee ballot they will be unable to vote.
 
I never excused ACORN's efforts, what I did say is that Bugs and Mickey likely wouldn't be voting. However, switching a voter's party allegiance without their knowledge, such as YPM is accused of doing, can have actual consequences.

Actually, I believe you said was that it wasn't the fault of ACORN and that these were the actions of "fringe" people in the group who were not acting on the direction of ACORN. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, evidence that ACORN does in fact do these things intentionally but with the full knowledge that when caught... they can claim its a voter suppression attempt by the GOP... and People like yourself will parrot that talking point without holding ACORN accountable for their actions.

ACORN is corrupt... so is YPM... join me in calling for them both to be either disbanded or reformed with proper investigation and public oversight. Unless of course you don't really want free and fair elections... then by all means, continue to play off ACORN's abuse as a "GOP trick" and keep attacking only the YPM as being corrupt.
 
Actually, I believe you said was that it wasn't the fault of ACORN and that these were the actions of "fringe" people in the group who were not acting on the direction of ACORN. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, evidence that ACORN does in fact do these things intentionally but with the full knowledge that when caught... they can claim its a voter suppression attempt by the GOP... and People like yourself will parrot that talking point without holding ACORN accountable for their actions.

ACORN is corrupt... so is YPM... join me in calling for them both to be either disbanded or reformed with proper investigation and public oversight. Unless of course you don't really want free and fair elections... then by all means, continue to play off ACORN's abuse as a "GOP trick" and keep attacking only the YPM as being corrupt.

I do believe the illegal actions attributed to ACORN are primarily the result of over zealous registration gatherers who are getting paid for each registration. We have had similar problems in my state with paid signature gatherers for initiatives.

If ACORN was doing these things intentionally, don't you think they'd do a better job with the dummy registrations? I mean cartoon characters or the Dallas Cowboy football team is rather obvious.

What I have been objecting to is the inference that somehow Obama and ACORN are working together in a coordinated effort to undermine the voting process. It seems much more likely that this whole hullabaloo is nothing more than another GOP voter suppression effort.
 
What I have been objecting to is the inference that somehow Obama and ACORN are working together in a coordinated effort to undermine the voting process. It seems much more likely that this whole hullabaloo is nothing more than another GOP voter suppression effort.

Obama wouldn't have to work directly with ACORN... they are a radical leftist group who want Democrats to win every election.... at any cost. Even when they get busted for voter fraud, its a $25k slap on the wrist for an organization that gets MILLIONS of taxpayer funding.

Now, you still have failed to explain how having the names of fake voters, who you've already admited will not show up to vote, removed from the voter rolls disinfranchises any REAL voters.... So... Lets hear it. How does removing Mickey Mouse from the voter rolls equate to voter suppression of the poor and minorities?
 
All those that have been complaining about ACORN...what do you have to say about this? We might start hearing about YPM in the media much in the same way we've heard about ACORN, all except for Faux News that is.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story?track=rss

Are you drunk, stoned, or just plain STUPID?? There are hundreds of thousands of documented cases of ACORN fraudulent DEMOCRAT votes, and you haven't had boo to say about it other than excuses, and you have the temerity to bring up maybe a DOZEN from the GOP side?

GO TAKE YOUR MEDS!
 
Look , the deomcrat party has always been dirty when it comes to voter fraud . They were dirty when they were just radical liberals . Now they have turned into Socialist/Marxist and stealing elections is their mild part. James Carvel says if Obama does not win our cities will burn. Obama himself says he wants to take YOUR money and give it to those who PAY NO Federal iaxes.He wants to decide how you spend your money.Communist believe the same , Socialist tooo want to take YOUR money and "Spread it around " as OBAMA said.
At least educate yourself concerning Obama and his agents , They are BAD for America! JOE the Plumber is an average American , just like me and you . We are the ones Obama wants to TAX , Tax, Tax and give it to those who PAY NO TAXES!! THINK!!
 
Look , the democrat party has always been dirty when it comes to voter fraud . They were dirty when they were just radical liberals . Now they have turned into Socialist/Marxist and stealing elections is their mild part. James Carvel says if Obama does not win our cities will burn. Obama himself says he wants to take YOUR money and give it to those who PAY NO Federal taxes.He wants to decide how you spend your money.Communist believe the same , Socialist t want to take YOUR money and "Spread it around " as OBAMA said.
At least educate yourself concerning Obama and his agents , They are BAD for America! JOE the Plumber is an average American , just like me and you . We are the ones Obama wants to TAX , Tax, Tax and give it to those who PAY NO TAXES!! THINK!!


I guess you don't like facts or read the news? your Joe Plumber...actually gets a tax cut under Obama, he in fact does not make anything near 250,000, Owes back taxes still, and does not even have a license to be a plumber...In fact , anyone care to tell me what part of this whole Joe Plumber stuff actually was true?
 
He asked a question
Obama's reply was the issue
spreading the wealth is not what many Americans want to hear

so what does obama do? Attack the guy who asked the question
so what does the media do? dig up dirt about the guy who asked the question

the question is what is important

the reply even more important

the rest is just wagging the tail to keep your eyes off the question and reply :)
 
He asked a question
One the Media should be following up on...
Obama's reply was the issue
An issue that Obama would rather not have to explain...
spreading the wealth is not what many Americans want to hear
Which is why Joe the plumber must be destroyed.
so what does obama do? Attack the guy who asked the question
There's your compassionate messiah, champion of the working class, attacking a guy for asking Obama a question that provided an embarrassing answer.
so what does the media do? dig up dirt about the guy who asked the question
But there's no Liberal Bias in the Media. :rolleyes: Having Obama explain himself could cost him the election, and they can't have that....
the question is what is important
And it only took 2 years for someone to ask such an obvious question...
the reply even more important
But.. we're supposed to ignore that and instead, attack Joe for having the temerity for asking....
the rest is just wagging the tail to keep your eyes off the question and reply
But there's no Liberal Bias in the Media.... :rolleyes:
 
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