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Ground Zero Building Catches Fire, Doesn't Collapse

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  1. KeepOurFreedoms

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    Ground Zero Building Catches Fire, Doesn't Collapse

    Prisonplanet.com
    Sunday Aug 19, 2007


    The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing

    This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.

    The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.

    On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses.

    The saving grace that could have prevented Deutsche Bank from imploding may have been the fact that it was not hit by a plane, as the twin towers were on 9/11.

    However, the absence of a jet strike wasn't enough to prevent WTC 7 from crumbling into its own footprint within 7 seconds later that fateful afternoon.

    Hundreds of buildings worldwide suffered major fires that gutted the entire facade of their structure before 9/11 and did not collapse, but since the twin towers behaved differently, rather than consider an alternative explanation for the collapse of the towers, experts simply decided to reverse the fundamental precepts of all known physics to make it easier for everyone to understand.

    Since that time, it has been commonly accepted that limited fires in tall buildings are 99% certain to cause an almost instantaneous collapse.

    More pictures and an AP report on the latest blaze follow.




    Firefighters Die in Blaze by Ground Zero

    VERENA DOBNIK / AP

    NEW YORK - A seven-alarm fire ripped through an abandoned skyscraper next to ground zero in Lower Manhattan Saturday, killing two firefighters who were responding to the blaze.



    Officers at the scene were preventing nearby residents from returning to their homes, telling them that authorities were concerned the former Deutsche Bank office building, vacant since the 2001 terrorist attacks turned it into a toxic nightmare, could fall. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said that fear turned out to be unfounded.

    The plume of gray smoke that trailed above the site of the World Trade Center raised concerns that toxic substances in the building could be spreading.

    Bloomberg sought to reassure residents that the chemicals in the building likely did not present a significant health risk, saying air-quality tests so far showed no danger.

    "Having said that, we are extremely careful. We don't want to prejudge anything," the mayor added. Tests were to continue overnight, he said.

    One of the firefighters killed was identified as Joseph Graffagnino, 34, of Brooklyn. He was a member of Ladder 5, which lost 11 members on Sept. 11, 2001.



    "Today's events really are another cruel blow to our city and to our fire department," Bloomberg said. He said the fire had "expanded our loss."

    Also killed was Robert Beddia, 53, of Staten Island. Bloomberg said both firefighters had become trapped, inhaled a great deal of smoke and gone into cardiac arrest.

    Five or six other firefighters were taken to a hospital but were expected to be released, Bloomberg said. No civilians were hurt.



    Construction crews had already dismantled 14 of the building's 40 stories -- reaching the 26th floor on Tuesday. Some firefighters used stairs to reach the burning upper floors of the building, just steps from where 343 firefighters lost their lives in the 2001 terror attacks.

    The cause of the fire was not immediately known. Smoke pouring from the burning building was visible from midtown Manhattan and the New Jersey side of the Hudson River. Fire officials declared the blaze under control late Saturday.



    The acrid smell of smoke, which hung over the neighborhood for days after Sept. 11, returned to lower Manhattan along with the wail of emergency vehicles. More than five dozen fire vehicles, with more than 270 firefighters, responded to the blaze as pieces of burning debris fell from the building to the streets.

    Residents said they weren't allowed home even to rescue their pets.

    "We heard this crackling," said Elizabeth Hughes, who saw the fire start from her rooftop deck across from the tower. "And then a huge fire that went up three floors fast. It was massive. ... Oh my God! I can't even go in and get my cats."

    By late Saturday evening, nearby residents who had been evacuated were told they could return.

    The 1.4-million square foot office tower was contaminated with toxic dust and debris after the World Trade Center's south tower collapsed into it. Bloomberg said the chemicals in the building did not present a significant health risk.

    Efforts to dismantle it were halted by a labor dispute last year, along with the ongoing search for the remains of attack victims.

    City officials announced in June they had completed recovery efforts at the structure. More than 700 human remains were found at the site.

    Errol Cockfield, a spokesman for the Empire State Development Corp., which is overseeing redevelopment at ground zero, said authorities were investigating whether the smoke at the scene could pose any environmental danger.
     
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    So? As I have said before, no building collapsed on 9/11 due solely to fire, either.
     
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    McCormick Place Exhibition Center, Chicago, 1967
     
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    Oh I do love these ridiculous attempts to revisit the "inside job" theories of 9/11.
    Lets do something crazy and consider this for a moment. Is it possible that the Deutsche Bank building might have at least suffered more extensive damage had a 155 ft projectile filled with over 3000 gallons of jet fuel traveling at over 400 mph slammed directly into it? Say maybe a Boeing 757?

    More food for thought. Take a rock the size of a building and drop it off a cliff. You will have extensive damage to the immediate area. Take that same rock and propel it through the earths atmosphere at a few thousand mph and you have a catastrophe on impact.

    Lets pretend that you aren't politically motivated to deny this. Can you see how absurd your comments then become?

    -Castle
     
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    Let's pretend you actually care about the USA and what happens to it.
     
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    I applaud the method with which you completely dodge my entire post. Your skillful use of misdirection is almost commendable.

    As it failed miserably, I'll give you another shot.


    -Castle
     
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    If you insist. "burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing"
    Here is the deal bubba. The plane hit the building, a huge fire ball went up consuming the jet fuel. What was left to burn down a 110 floor building? And then the building collapses into its own footprint after only 56 minutes. That is just crazy talk. Go look at the videos of the buildings. There are charges going off to make make building collapse....why else all the pulverized cement?
     
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    Maybe 9-11 attacks was a conspricy by the government so George Bush can give a reason to attack Afgainstan and IRAQ. Just like Oswald didnt kill JFK the CIA killed JFK.
     
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    Ah yes, once again the conspiracy theorists conveniently discard all other factors of the impact in an effort to float their agenda.

    Facts and professional opinions generally make more sense to me.
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    The intro to this article:
    -Castle
     
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    110 floors filled with combustible materials -- drapes, rugs, furniture, office equipment, and countless reams of paper.

    FYI, experts (that is, people with relevant education, not dumpy unemployable basement-dwellers like you) say that the jet fuel burned for 10 minutes; it was not consumed instantly in a single fireball. And it was sprayed through the whole interior of the building through utility shafts.

    What's your proof that there are charges going off to "make make building collapse"?

    And anyone with a hammer drill can pulverize cement.

    EDIT: This nonsense ought to be shunted into the conspiracy theory board where it belongs.
     
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    Maybe it was an inside job so the government could gain more control over the people.

    Where was Bush Sr. when JFK was killed?
     
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    Popular Mechancis has been debunked. Anyone else you want to quote? or will you just keep your head burried?
     
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    Seems you have to resort to name calling "dumpy unemployable basement-dwellers like you" because you can't prove any of your theories.
     
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    Since you apparently have the power to just declare science "debunked", here are some other links for you:

    http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=789

    In addition, since this is clearly a discussion on the 9/11 conspiracy theories and that was the intent of the opening post all along, I have moved this to the proper forum.
     
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