GWBush and GOP: The Socialists

[Mr. Shaman]

I don't get your point. Are you suggesting that if we had not sent military advisors to Vietnam prior to Kennedy, that Kennedy would not have, and thus LBJ would not have, and thus the war would never have happened?

EXACTLY!!!!!!​

"Around 1860, the French seized the area near Saigon. They took over central and northern Vietnam during the next two decades, and by 1885 Vietnam had once again lost its independence. French Indochina at the end of the 1800s: Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam, which the French divided into three regions: Cochinchina, Annam and Tonkin. To the Vietnamese, the division was a deliberate attempt to destroy their national unity.

The Vietnamese resisted. The French called all resisters "pirates", and they sent in the troops for the first "pacification" of Vietnam. They staged public executions. The severed heads were photographed and printed on postcards which soldiers sent home to sweethearts in Paris "with kisses from Hanoi." It took 20 years to get the Vietnamese resistance under control. Then the French could concentrate on the economics of colonialism, trying to transform Vietnam into a source of profit."

ABBOT LOW MOFFAT: "We knew he was a Communist, but we also felt, as they did, and the way anybody who has known, met Ho Chi Minh, who I've ever talked with, had the same feeling: he was first a nationalist, and second a Communist. That is, he was interested in getting the independence of his people and then he thought probably the best thing for them was the Communist type of government. But he was a nationalist first and foremost".

ARCHIMEDES PATTI: "Two or three days after I met Ho, he asked me to come in and stop and see him at which time he wanted to show me something, and what he wanted to show me was a draft of the Declaration of Independence that he was going to declare several days later. Of course, it was in Vietnamese and I couldn't read it and when it was interpreted to me, I was quite taken aback to hear the words of the American Declaration of Independence. Words about liberty, life and the pursuit of happiness, etcetera. I just couldn't believe my own ears."

ABBOT LOW MOFFAT: "There was quite a division in the State Department over Indochina. Both the Far Eastern office and the European office were in complete agreement that we wanted a strong France recovered in Europe from the trauma of Vichy and the defeat in the war, but the European division felt that to help get the French back on their feet we should go along with practically anything that the French wanted."

 

[Sihouette]

Yes, yes...

That terrible nationalist "bad guy"...what was his name? "Ho" something...doesn't matter. The name doesn't matter when bad guy fodder is all that really does.

How dare he want independance for his nation and control of their own national resources to trade on a world market! He (they..you know...all the innocent citizens also killed for rubber) got everything coming to them.

Sierra Leone isn't that newsworthy though. Diamonds are pretty, but not necessary to run a democracy. Their control can be hugely profitted off of but jewelry is just so hard to get an unwilling public to shed blood for...

So a few thousand kids and women are getting raped, killed and having their limbs amputated in torture...

We'd better stay out of that one...

 

[Andy]

Yes, yes...

That terrible nationalist "bad guy"...what was his name? "Ho" something...doesn't matter. The name doesn't matter when bad guy fodder is all that really does.

How dare he want independance for his nation and control of their own national resources to trade on a world market! He (they..you know...all the innocent citizens also killed for rubber) got everything coming to them.

Sierra Leone isn't that newsworthy though. Diamonds are pretty, but not necessary to run a democracy. Their control can be hugely profitted off of but jewelry is just so hard to get an unwilling public to shed blood for...

So a few thousand kids and women are getting raped, killed and having their limbs amputated in torture...

We'd better stay out of that one...

What the heck are you talking about? Look, you just said you don't care about the people slaughtered by Ho Chi Mihn... so just admit that and move on.

Sorry but I do. I met a dozen or more wonderful people that only survived by escaping here from Ho Chi Mihn.

I hate to say it, but my view of you has dropped. Apparently senseless murder of people is perfectly fine if done by a communist, to you.

 

[Sihouette]

you don't care about the people slaughtered by Ho Chi Mihn... so just admit that and move on.

You ARE good aren't you?


The slight of hand, wilfull misinterpretation of what I said and the expertise in guiding the unwanted topic towards "how bad of a person Sih is"!

Do they offer doctorates in your field? You should be a professor...

 

[Sihouette]

Apparently senseless murder of people is perfectly fine if done by a communist, to you.

Senseless murder is never OK. That's why I've opposed Bushco's Iraq war and Vietnam, and what's happening in Sierra Leone. Say Andy, by the way, what do you think the US should do about Sierra Leone?

 

[Sihouette]

Andy?