Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by Untouchable, Sep 6, 2007.
The new world order
Zionism fuels anti-Semitism.
We seem to have about 4 people on this forum now who just go about posting threads about how bad zionists are, but a lot of the time a prejudice about jews in general is clear to see.
The source of this story must be your favourite website untouchable. Despite claiming to be an international middle east news centre, all it does is attack Israel.
I don't support Israel, I don't think it should be there, I hate Zionists, but I don't hate Jews.
You also need to realise, posting these hate filled rants and copy and pasted articles isn't convincing anyone of anything and your not going to get a point across doing it, but only make yourself look like a prejudiced individual.
What are you saying? That you don't want to hear it?
As I've already stated, I hate zionists, and I don't support Israel, however, I don't need people on the internet giving me a thread a day about how bad the Jews are.
You don't know how bad it is, old sport.
Oh well, tough day for that guy. In the meantime, Israel still exists, and should exist and it is unlikely to go away anytime soon.
Why should Israel exist?? What good is Israel? The world got along pretty well for millions of years without Israel existing, and will get along without Israel one day, so what in the world is Israel good for except living off the United States' taxpayers and creating turmoil, chaos, confusion, and war in The M.E.?
Is this really what your position comes down to? Because this is pretty weak. What good is Iraq? What good is Iran? Syria? Lebanon? Jordan? North Korea?
Both ArmChair and I have posted reasons why the U.S. supports Israel, so your assertion that Israel is "no good" to the U.S. is inaccurate. They are our biggest ally in the region most hostile to us. A region that has been hostile to infidels and the West since the 6th century and what we see today is just the 21st century extension of it.
And I love the notion that "we will get along without Israel one day". This is highly unlikely. Your Islamic friends have tried multiple times to "kick them into the Mediterranean" as the mullahs and religious leaders exlaim and failed. Each time Israel grew stronger and occupied more land. Any intelligent humans would see that they should probably stop attacking Israel because it always ends up in them having to surrender more land. Get used to the fact that Israel is here to stay. They're not just going to disappear like you and the Islamists pray every night. Stop accepting yesterday's treaty and get committed to creating peace plan.
Ive heard you ask this question before and have been given some answers on the issue. Let me ask you this, do you think Israel should not exist? Should the Jewish people not have a homeland?
Ill set aside the millions of years statement and focus on the last 5 thousand or so. And no the world didnt get along fine without Israel. In the large scheme of history up to the current times, Israel existing in its modern form is rather inconsequential to this point.
It is good for giving a widely displaced, often opressed people thier own homeland in an attempt to create a more peaceful rest of the world. It is Israels agressive neighbors that have caused the situation they find themselves in.
The middle east has historically throughout history been a chaotic, combative region of the world. It was that way before Islam even came about. It is a result of geographic location on the overland route between east and west, current culture and map breakdown hasnt changed this.
I would echo with the Jarhead. The Palestinians have been told time and time again they will get thier country if they just behave themselves and follow through on XYZ. They cant get thier act together.
What good are Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan? Oil for one thing. When we finally discover a better way of running our automobiles than on oil, that will be the time to alienate the Middle East oil producing nations and coddle Israel to our politicians' heart's content, but presently we are paying over 3 dollars a gallon for fuel, and most people can't afford those prices.
If Israel is our "biggest" ally in the M.E., why aren't they fighting alongside our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why aren't they doing all the fighting in those nations? We are doing their dirty work, just as we have been doing for a long time, and it's high time we let them stand on their own six feet. If Israel is our biggest ally, why are they continually sending platoons of Mossad spies here to steal our top secrets and sell them to our enemies? How did a 2% minority of Zionists manage to usurp the banking, news media, entertainment, legal, educational, literary, judicial, and other industries, along with the gambling, prostitution, pornography, liquor, and other rackets in this country? Because they are wily enough to fool most of the people all of the time, that's how.
As far as Israel always winning wars and gaining territory, if the United States stopped supplying them with the tools of war and the money to finance their depredations in the M.E., Israel would shrivel up and wilt on the vine. They are a parasite nation, and when a parasite destroys its host-body (America), the parasite dies. Salami.
Why should the Jewish people have a "homeland?" There is no homeland for the Buddhists, or the Confucianists, or the Baha'is, or the Hindus, or the Protestants, or the Shintos, or the Taoists, or any other specific religion. Why is it that this particular religion must have a "homeland" (especially someone else's homeland)? If you are thinking they must have one because they "suffered" so much at the hands of the evil Nazis, then why shouldn't the homosexuals, the Gypsies, the weak-minded, and all the other groups that were allegedly persecuted by the Nazis also have a homeland (I can imagine a "United States of Homos and Morons")? This Jew-coddling is getting out of hand, what with all the constant "reparations" being demanded of the rest of the world. Other people take their war losses and go ahead with their lives, but these Zionists will never stop draining the resources out of any people they can blame something on, and it must stop.
I totally agree with you there. However, I still think your an absoloute moron.
One: Allegedly??? You should be sent back in time to a concentration camp, just for a day. Then we'll see what you say about it.
Two: Who are the morons?
OK Lasher, Ill play along here with ya. let me say a few things first. In a hypothetical utopian society in my mind, would disclude the widespread practice of religion in general. In terms of human violence, the intitution that often preaches tolerance and love and forgiveness all to often is a cause of far to much hate. If it were up to me, religion would largely be left to ones household. That box can never be closed so one must consider the things that have caused humanity to reach where we currently find ourselves.
They are independant countries that exert government over thier citizens whether they like it or not. Several of them are US trading partners. Also worthy of existence.
I dont disagree, Ill point out that my home state produces more oil than any other state in the nation, and I am paying $5 at the pump.
All to often people claim it is the zionist media running the country.
Id say that Arab fuel has much more influence.
They are, just against a different group of the same enemy. Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Aqusa and any number of others.
They have done far more of our dirty work than we have of thiers
Id rather religion be inconsequential. Now are the Jews a religion or a race? You cant have it one way then the other when its convenient for the argument at hand.
If there is not a general safe haven for them to be able to visit whatever god or prophet they believe in, sure they should be provided sanctuary.
The US military also supplies the tools of war to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, probably Iraq, Egypt, Kuwait, probably Lebanon. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia spends nearly double the amount on US arms than Israel does.
The "parasite" has done pretty darn well for themselves with our guns and thier guys. Id certainly consider it a more symbiotic relationship than most we have in that region and throughout the world.
Jew coddling, that is amusing. I dont support continued reparations if there are any. As for the Zionists laying blame all around, I am wondering if only I see the hypocracy in that statement when you have in numerous threads on this very board blaming the zionist for lying, cheating, stealing, running the world, killings, more or less the ills of the world.
This is the most telling statement of your entire post. I think you are right. It would be nice in a world where people are recognized for the merit of thier actions and words first and thier ethnicity or religion not having much to do with it, but you cant seem to get away from it.
For some reason, I am unable to use the "multi-quote" function; therefore, I will defer an answer to this post until such time as I am intelligent enough to figure out why I can't. It is best to address single quotes (questions) to me, until that time, because I am such a simpleton.
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