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Has socialism lost meaning due to technology?

Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by Jason76, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. Jason76

    Jason76 Well-Known Member

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    Nowadays you can get so much education via YouTube that it's made social mobility tremendously easier. Of course, in the past you had public libraries to allow the poor to gain information, but often the material was difficult to read, and/or of a low amount.

    How would this pertain to the ideas of socialism, which state there isn't any real social mobility and class warfare is inevitable. How would this pertain to those who follow Trump's line, and say that immigrants are taking away jobs, hence keeping native citizens poor?
     
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    Sorry, not seeing any correlation here.
     
  3. Jason76

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    Of course, worldwide social class is often inescapable. Nonetheless, as technology progresses more people obtain social mobility. Note, in the days of the Cold War, a big appeal of Communism was due to the fact that the American assumption of third world social mobility was a joke. However, nowadays it's a lot less true.
     
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    There are successful Socialist in most countries except the USA.
     
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    Actually, the USA has many socialist programs. For instance, the New Deal and the Great Society, which still have many of it's programs running currently, were socialist. Whether it's money for the disabled to go to college, or food stamps, it's all socialism.

    Some people claim Social Security is socialism because they're forcing money out of people's paychecks, even though it's not technically charity. Social Security is a forced savings account, so to speak.
     
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    To follow up on your first comment, and this part:

    "How would this pertain to those who follow Trump's line, and say that immigrants are taking away jobs, hence keeping native citizens poor?"

    It isn't the immigrant that is keeping "Native Citizens" poor, it is people like Trump that hire those immigrants at cheap wages thus driving down the wages for all others. You here Trump speaking of the ills of illegal immigration, yet you never hear them call for the imprisonment of the employer who hires those illegal immigrants. You never hear them cry about the 500% increase in the "salary" of the wealthy, or the trillions they have stashed in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes. What was the legalization of "inversions" all about if not to allow the wealthy to avoid paying taxes?

    People like Trump will always find a scapegoat for their own greed.
     
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    Jason I agree there have socialist program in the USA but they have no been called Socialism. Sanders who claims to be a socialist looks like losing in the Democrat poll. I agree that Trump has some socialist objectives but hide . them.
    Like Old trapper I agree not move against employers who ay low wages.
    The USAis one of few countries that does not have free medicine or doctors.
     
  8. Jason76

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    That's funny cause Robert Kiyosaki, a popular real estate guru who co-authored a book with Trump, specifically mentions the fact that that taxes against the rich never hurt the rich, but rather the middle class. Of course, one way the rich avoid taxes is via offshore accounts.
     
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    Who writes the tax code ? Lawyers who work for rich people.
     
  10. Zanna

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    About the e-learning part:
    Educating oneself is one thing, but I don't think the dissemination of information can help the masses in terms of job seeking unless there's some kind of certification involved. Which usually requires money, sure less money than dumping a ton of dollars on a college degree, but some courses/seminars can be very expensive.
    A socialist state is expected to provide funds and scholarships for educational purposes as was done some 20 years ago in the US.

    I think that by sticking to what Trump's fans say, instead to Trump himself, we're stuck at criticising people's intelligence without producing results.
    I feel like this OP is a passive aggressive late jab at a Trump follower that found its way here, because you're attacking one of the most simplistic arguements they use.
    You're not wrong in that many pro-Trump arguments are paradoxical by default. In this case I assume you meant that these people are using a non-existant threat as an instigation of conflict.
     
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    It's true that employers want certification for most things, even though it is true that sometimes in computer jobs the situation can be avoided. Nonetheless, what good is going to college etc.. if you can't pass the courses with an A or B? However, nowadays, with YouTube etc.. it's becoming easier to pass a course even if the professor and book's message, which is sometimes written like stereo instructions, :sleep: doesn't sink in.
     
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