Heavy Republican House dist in NY goes Dem..

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Thank you Paul Ryan

Kathy Hochul beat the Republican by about 6-7% I belive...the Republicans Spent a ton to win...a dist they should never had to fight for ( also already head if the guy elected was not a Idiot trying to get sex on craiglist)

Thank you for trying to kill Medicare and for your lack of Family values republicans...
 
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Thank you Paul Ryan

Kathy Hochul beat the Republican by about 6-7% I belive...the Republicans Spent a ton to win...a dist they should never had to fight for ( also already head if the guy elected was not a Idiot trying to get sex on craiglist)

Thank you for trying to kill Medicare and for your lack of Family values republicans...

The Ryan Plan does not "kill Medicare"...that is simply false...

Ryan has a good piece about it in the CSM:

The ink wasn't even dry on the proposal when the wailing began. You might be excused for thinking the safety net was being dismantled. One Democratic senator wondered aloud whether the bill would prompt the widespread auctioning of abandoned children into slavery. A senior Democrat in the House of Representatives warned that within two years of enactment, the bill would "put 1.5 million to 2.5 million children into poverty."

You remember those criticisms ... you heard them last month when the House of Representatives passed its fiscal year 2012 budget resolution, right?

Actually, they were all spoken 15 years ago, on the eve of the historic passage of the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. What happened after President Bill Clinton signed this landmark reform into law is well known: Welfare caseloads were cut in half against a backdrop of falling poverty rates. Child-poverty rates in particular fell by 1 percent every year in the five years following the enactment of the law. Even today, they remain below 1995 levels, even though the nation is just emerging from a severe recession.

Despite this unprecedented success, the defenders of the status quo in Washington are at it again, demonizing the House-passed budget in the same overwrought language they used to attack the bipartisan welfare reforms of the mid-1990s. "The Republican budget rips apart the safety net," is how the Budget Committee's ranking Democrat put it. President Obama accused us of wanting to leave children with disabilities to "fend for themselves."

This rhetoric is not just overheated – it is flat-out false. Our budget – "The Path to Prosperity" – strengthens the safety net by directing more assistance to those who need it most. It provides the chronically unemployed with the incentives and tools they need to bounce back into self-sufficient lives. Most important, it prevents the kind of debt-fueled economic crisis that would hit the poor the hardest.

The House-passed budget directs assistance to those in need by giving more power over federal antipoverty dollars to the states, to be directed by the governors and state lawmakers who are closest to the problem. In doing this, we are building upon the success of the welfare-reform law, which transformed that program into a block grant and gave states more control over its implementation. Washington has been fighting a "war on poverty" for nearly 50 years, yet it is no coincidence that the greatest strides in this effort were made when the federal government gave states the ability to better empower recipients of aid.

Another successful aspect of welfare reform was that it required recipients to either be looking for work or training for work, thus encouraging able-bodied citizens to achieve greater control over their lives. The best welfare program is one that ends with a job and a stable, independent life for the individual, but our budget realizes that it is not enough to provide incentives for work. In addition to a number of measures that promote job creation, the House-passed budget streamlines and strengthens federal job-training programs to help the less-fortunate get back on their feet.

Emulating the bipartisan successes of the mid-1990s will help make federal antipoverty programs stronger and more effective, but that is not enough. There is a key difference between then and now: Today, we face an unsustainable trajectory of government spending that is accelerating the nation toward a ruinous debt crisis.

Mounting debt also threatens our poorest and most vulnerable citizens, because those who depend most on government would be hit hardest by a fiscal crisis. Harsh austerity would be the only course left. A broke government unable to finance its spending commitments would be forced to make indiscriminate cuts affecting current beneficiaries of government programs – without giving them time to prepare or adjust.

As we strengthen welfare for those who need it, we end it for those who don't. We end wasteful welfare for corporations such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, big agribusinesses, well-connected energy companies, and others that have gotten a free ride from the taxpayer for too long.

The aim of the social safety net should be to empower individuals, putting them in a stronger position to achieve. Government can play a positive role in this area with policies that help those who are down on their luck get back on their feet. The House-passed budget strengthens the social safety net and promotes policies that help people recover from poverty and lead self-sufficient lives.

Hysterical predictions about what would happen to low-income Americans under our budget are not just wildly unrealistic – they are dangerously deluded about the urgent need to avert a crisis that would have devastating effects on the poor. By making our safety net stronger and more sustainable, we can prevent that crisis, promote independence, and move instead toward a more prosperous society – one that maximizes upward mobility and opportunity.

Frankly, at this point, I may support more people becoming dependent on welfare..because those are the morons who vote to continue this madness, and those will be the morons who are made to bear the burden when austerity cuts inevitably come.
 
because you think its likley that old people will be able to find health care plans that cover them for 8000 a year...and that the costs will not go up for them evry year...while the credit they get will not....?

What idiot free market insurance plan is going to want to cover all of these old people for any reasonable cost? Also throw in Republicans want to end the Health care Bill...so if they got both the nice health care companies could also reject them all...for pre existing conditions....

Ryan Plan = no Medicare and a pain in the ass for Seniors to get real health care that gives them coverage they need for a price they can afford.

Of course there is the , what I will call the Pawlenty effect as well..that is shift the burden to the states...who can't afford it...so they are forced to raise taxes...while national leaders can say look we cost cost and taxes ( buy raising your cost and taxes someplace else) . The Joint Economic Committee found that out of pocket expense would double from 6 to 12,000
in Pennsylvania ...do you think the state will sit back and say, that sucks...and do nothing? doubt it.

also there is that nagging issue of...Medicare is more efficient then Private coverage...
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/100452.php
http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2...icient-than-private-insurers-by-maggie-mahar/
 
What PFS "forgot" to tell you:

The election was a three-way race, with the conservative/republican vote split between the gop candidate and a tea party candidate. The tea party candidate is Jack Davis, a life-long anti-republican, who served a spoiler role to confuse voters. As for it being a "heavy" GOP district - it's so "heavy" that the dems lost the congressional election there by only 2% of the vote in 2006. :rolleyes:
 
What PFS "forgot" to tell you:

The election was a three-way race, with the conservative/republican vote split between the gop candidate and a tea party candidate. The tea party candidate is Jack Davis, a life-long anti-republican, who served a spoiler role to confuse voters. As for it being a "heavy" GOP district - it's so "heavy" that the dems lost the congressional election there by only 2% of the vote in 2006. :rolleyes:

what you forget is...as the third party guys support dropped...the Dems...went up...

also you don't think there are going to be third parties in 2012? .. 3rd party or not...this race any normal year would not even be close...

Take away Nader and Republicans may not have won the white house since Bush H W...

in 2008 , Lee the Republican won by a landslide...even if you add in the 5% third party liberal group workings familys party...he won by 10%

in 2010..Lee won with 73% of the vote...

the 3rd party this time got 8%...

the simple fact is...independants and Republican voters voted for the Dems.
 
Take away Nader and Republicans may not have won the white house since Bush H W...

That's correct, and if not for Ross Perot, Bubba Clinton would never have been president. Same thing in this election. With the confusion sown by a democrat plant, it's SILLY to make a big deal out of this election.

in 2008 , Lee the Republican won by a landslide...even if you add in the 5% third party liberal group workings familys party...he won by 10%

in 2010..Lee won with 73% of the vote...

So your saying it can all be explained by the electorate suddenly enraptured with obozo hiking the national debt by $7 trillion, and the unemployment rate at 9% after 2 years of obozo's new deal economic solutions? Yessssirrrrr - bring on the democrats - we need more of their stuff! :D
 
That's correct, and if not for Ross Perot, Bubba Clinton would never have been president. Same thing in this election. With the confusion sown by a democrat plant, it's SILLY to make a big deal out of this election.

How exactly were the voters confused by this? Jack Davis is well known in that area, he's been active in politics for years. Are you saying that the GOP voters were so gullible and ignorant of Mr. Davis and his history that he "fooled" them? You don't think much of GOP voters in that district, do you?

So your saying it can all be explained by the electorate suddenly enraptured with obozo hiking the national debt by $7 trillion, and the unemployment rate at 9% after 2 years of obozo's new deal economic solutions? Yessssirrrrr - bring on the democrats - we need more of their stuff!

That's not what he's saying at all. He gave what he thought were the reasons for this outcome in the last sentence of his opening post. I guess you tried to change the focus to Obama because you have no answer to the reasons that PFOS already put out there.
 
"I believe that Paul Ryan's Mediscare plan will cause many seniors to die. I do not like Mediscare, I do not like it at all..."

So says a liberal brainwashed by the liberal media.
 
How exactly were the voters confused by this?

The guy was put in to split the non-lib vote - want me to find a way to say it to you with one-syllable words? :rolleyes:

Jack Davis is well known in that area, he's been active in politics for years. Are you saying that the GOP voters were so gullible and ignorant of Mr. Davis and his history that he "fooled" them? You don't think much of GOP voters in that district, do you?

This isn't quantum mechanics - he could have siphoned off the RINOs. And there ARE many people who don't pay close attention to whom they elect - obozo got elected, didn't he?
 
because you think its likley that old people will be able to find health care plans that cover them for 8000 a year...and that the costs will not go up for them evry year...while the credit they get will not....?

What idiot free market insurance plan is going to want to cover all of these old people for any reasonable cost? Also throw in Republicans want to end the Health care Bill...so if they got both the nice health care companies could also reject them all...for pre existing conditions....

Ryan Plan = no Medicare and a pain in the ass for Seniors to get real health care that gives them coverage they need for a price they can afford.

Of course there is the , what I will call the Pawlenty effect as well..that is shift the burden to the states...who can't afford it...so they are forced to raise taxes...while national leaders can say look we cost cost and taxes ( buy raising your cost and taxes someplace else) . The Joint Economic Committee found that out of pocket expense would double from 6 to 12,000
in Pennsylvania ...do you think the state will sit back and say, that sucks...and do nothing? doubt it.

also there is that nagging issue of...Medicare is more efficient then Private coverage...
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/100452.php
http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2...icient-than-private-insurers-by-maggie-mahar/


Sounds like a lot of similar rhetoric as was used against Clinton's welfare reform...which didn't have the outcome predicted.

Let's face it...we have to cut spending. That means people are going to have to pay more of their own money for programs like Medicare. What is so bad about that?

You want to argue all these older people will suddenly be uninsured and dying the street, that is simply false.

Democrats want to sit here and argue that "rich" people should pay more in taxes because they can afford it, but then turn around and argue that no one should pay more in Medicare costs etc, even though they can afford it.
 
Sounds like a lot of similar rhetoric as was used against Clinton's welfare reform...which didn't have the outcome predicted.

Let's face it...we have to cut spending. That means people are going to have to pay more of their own money for programs like Medicare. What is so bad about that?

You want to argue all these older people will suddenly be uninsured and dying the street, that is simply false.

Democrats want to sit here and argue that "rich" people should pay more in taxes because they can afford it, but then turn around and argue that no one should pay more in Medicare costs etc, even though they can afford it.

you want to argue that telling SR's to buy health care on the market at there age, with there large amount of health issues, with rising health care costs...with a voucher that does not increase with the cost of health care...that will raise costs right away on them, and even more later...and that those costs will not be passed on to the states...or paid by people who already have little income....

this Bill I bet does not lower costs...it will in the end raise them. For profit companies who are not efficient and need huge profits to keep shareholders happy...vs medicare...efficeient and no need for profit...and cheaper...

who wins? insurance companies...who losses...the rest of us.
 
you want to argue that telling SR's to buy health care on the market at there age, with there large amount of health issues, with rising health care costs...with a voucher that does not increase with the cost of health care...that will raise costs right away on them, and even more later...and that those costs will not be passed on to the states...or paid by people who already have little income....

This is just a blatant misrepresentation....

A few facts:
1) Ryan's plan exempts those who are 55 and older from changes to Medicare or Social Security....so this idea that old people are going to suddenly be deprived of their insurance is a complete lie.

2) The voucher system (which are not really vouchers) would take place in a Medicare approved and heavily regulated (even according to Paul Ryan) system...essentially, it would basically make Medicare a mirror image of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

3) The plan would send block grants to states, which is far better than an open ended funding stream that encourages no efficiency. Clinton did the same thing, and it worked.

this Bill I bet does not lower costs...it will in the end raise them. For profit companies who are not efficient and need huge profits to keep shareholders happy...vs medicare...efficeient and no need for profit...and cheaper...

CBO predicts that under the House budget proposal the government’s share of retirees’ health care costs would decrease from currently about 70 percent to just 32 percent by 2030. That is not a cost reduction in your opinion?

who wins? insurance companies...who losses...the rest of us.

No, we all lose when we do nothing to address out spending issues.
 
This is just a blatant misrepresentation....

A few facts:
1) Ryan's plan exempts those who are 55 and older from changes to Medicare or Social Security....so this idea that old people are going to suddenly be deprived of their insurance is a complete lie.

2) The voucher system (which are not really vouchers) would take place in a Medicare approved and heavily regulated (even according to Paul Ryan) system...essentially, it would basically make Medicare a mirror image of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

3) The plan would send block grants to states, which is far better than an open ended funding stream that encourages no efficiency. Clinton did the same thing, and it worked.



CBO predicts that under the House budget proposal the government’s share of retirees’ health care costs would decrease from currently about 70 percent to just 32 percent by 2030. That is not a cost reduction in your opinion?



No, we all lose when we do nothing to address out spending issues.

If this plan is soo good why not just say it effects evryone next year? simple becuse they know it sucks and evryone would see just how bad that much faster.

The Bill takes the closed Donuthole...and opens it back up...meaning they pay today.

Medicare is more effeicent then for profit care...also no profit...so how is paying for added profits and less efficiency going to lower cost....wait I know...don't give them enough to cover the cost so its paid out of pocket...or out of the states pocket.

The fact is, Republicans pretend we can't afford health care for older people....but always find money for a tax cut.

We don't have money for teachers and public workers...but we do for a tax cut.

we have no money to help people who lost homes in Tornados in the midwest...but we do for tax cuts

we have no money for services for the poor...but we do...for taxcuts

Sorry grandma...we got to pay off the oil companies to make more record profits...

you want to pretend this bill is good for Sr.'s go for it, I hope the Republican party defends it evry day till Election time...But I think more and more are going to see the writing on the wall...Newt Did...but he paid the Republican price for saying something that republicans cant let be said...the truth.
 
What PFS "forgot" to tell you:

The election was a three-way race, with the conservative/republican vote split between the gop candidate and a tea party candidate. The tea party candidate is Jack Davis, a life-long anti-republican, who served a spoiler role to confuse voters. As for it being a "heavy" GOP district - it's so "heavy" that the dems lost the congressional election there by only 2% of the vote in 2006. :rolleyes:
So you are saying the NY republicans are too retarded to know the difference between an ex-Democrat running as a tea-party candidate and vote accordingly? Yeah, I can see that.
 
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So you are saying the NY republicans are too retarded to know the difference between an ex-Democrat running as a tea-party candidate and vote accordingly? Yeah, I can see that.

No - what I'm saying is the old farts who voted for her because they bought the misrepresentation of republican positions re medicare are fools -

Hochul supported obozo's plan to strip >>>$500 BILLION<< from medicare.
 
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