Pandora
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As you can tell by my name, I am very anti Obama. I really do not like the other candidates either, but I just dislike them, I don’t loath them entirely.
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Mare Tranquillity
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John Hightower got it right when he said, "If God wanted us to vote, He would have given us candidates."
Watching the political "spectacle" is like watching Dumb and Dumber and Even Dumber. I don't want ANY of those people to get in there. I have a friend in Australia who said that the upside to the Presidential election is that George will be GONE! (She doesn't like him very much, none actually... in fact she despises him.)
Openmind
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Just curious. . . you posted this in April 2008.
What made you "loath" Obama already at that time?
Pandora
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at this point
just his view of abortion was enough
he advocated for killing live babies that were meant to be abortions
sick and twisted gross and disgusting
by this point he was also already talking about closing down coal plants and his wife was already going town to town talking about how we need to share our pie (while they shared nothing)
The race card was being thrown out and anyone who dared to disagree with him in any way was deemed racist.
I think the better question is, how the hell can you idolize him so much after the last three years? that is by far the bigger question. I get before he became president, if you were one to buy into all that hope and change. But once you saw what you actually got, how are you one of the very few without regret?
Openmind
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I think Obama has done a GREAT job in the last 3 years, if one consider the hate campaign he has been under all that time, and the situation that was left for him to begin fixing.
He has a HUGE list of accomplishments (I'll post it for you in the next couple of days if you want to), and really the only two things I have been disappointed about with him is that he compromised too much with the GOP, both on healthcare reform (because of that it was too water down) and on their black mail re: continuing the Bush tax cuts.
And you already know how I feel about abortion. . .so no need to repeat it.
I REALLY like Michelle Obama, and obviously I agree on the need for the very wealthy to share in the terrible economic situation we have been in because of Bush.. .
Pandora
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The {hate} against him is much more about his policy than him personally. I think most americans when asked said they liked him personally just not his policy. I can not seperate the two so I just hate him and his policy. Glad he has some genuine support. You are rare even if I don't like him I think its good if he has someone on his side.
Openmind
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I think you would be surprise how many people are still on his side!
But thanks. . . your comment reflects a sweet temperament.
pocketfullofshells
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His view of Abortion....also called, H Clinton view...who you like
Openmind
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Never thought of that, but that's true!
Pandora
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Actually, no. They are not the same. His view is more like Barbara Boxer who I hate more than any female alive. He advocates for killing the baby even after it is born if the woman was trying for abortion. Barbara Boxer advocates that it is not a baby even if it is alive and fully born till the mother picks it up and claims it.
And liking Hillary more than obama doesn't mean I actually like Hillary. I think she is a communist but I would rather Hillary the communist over obama the socialist in a primary.
In a general election, I am voting against both of them
Openmind
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Actually, no. They are not the same. His view is more like Barbara Boxer who I hate more than any female alive. He advocates for killing the baby even after it is born if the woman was trying for abortion. Barbara Boxer advocates that it is not a baby even if it is alive and fully born till the mother picks it up and claims it.
And liking Hillary more than obama doesn't mean I actually like Hillary. I think she is a communist but I would rather Hillary the communist over obama the socialist in a primary.
In a general election, I am voting against both of them
do you have a reliable link to what you are asserting re: Obama wanting babies who are "alive" after "abortion" AND ARE VIABLE to be killed?
Pandora
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There are a number of them out there; there are also a few threads here at the HOP dedicated to the topic
It is not really a disputed topic that he voted for infanticide, its only disputed if it’s right or wrong.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/nurse_says_obama_supports_infanticide/
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/225404/why-obama-really-voted-infanticide/andrew-c-mccarthy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stanek
Barbara boxer was far more open about her approval to kill live babies where obama just did the votes needed to make it ok and block votes that would stop it from staying legal and keep it from coming to the floor to be voted on. And seem uninterested when a nurse testified that live children were being put in dirty laundry rooms to die when they survived abortions.
Openmind
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No, dear. . .NOT "kill LIFE BABIES," but not use heroic measure to "save" later development FETUS who were not "liveable" without those heroic measures, and were too under developped or suffer from such disabilities that they would NEVER have survived past a few days.
Obviously, you provided "catholic" resources to begin with!
But, after going to your other source, all I can see is that Obama trusted in individual physicians' following their conscience and their oath to save a life IF they thought there was a life to save, without having to result to calling a second or a third opinion in the room.
I sure wish you and your "anti health care for all" supporters would be as consciencious about providing "heroic measures" for older children, and for adults, and for elderlies, who are in need of those immensly costly procedures. . .and do not get them because they cannot pay.
Now. . .who would have paid for the heroic measures applied to those late term fetus whose parents had already decided would not live?. . .The hospital? The doctor?
pocketfullofshells
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Actually, no. They are not the same. His view is more like Barbara Boxer who I hate more than any female alive. He advocates for killing the baby even after it is born if the woman was trying for abortion. Barbara Boxer advocates that it is not a baby even if it is alive and fully born till the mother picks it up and claims it.
And liking Hillary more than obama doesn't mean I actually like Hillary. I think she is a communist but I would rather Hillary the communist over obama the socialist in a primary.
In a general election, I am voting against both of them
If you are not going to vote for them in a General, you should not vote for them in a primary...I could go vote for the worse Republican to the dems could win, but I let the republicans pick there own bad people. The only time I have ever caucused for the Dems, was those times I actuly planned to vote for the Dem ( 2 times since 1996) Even when I worked for the DLF ( dems in MN) I was very specific that I would only work on the Presidential issues for them, as I was not voting for dems at the State level...because I felt it would be unethical.
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Pandora
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I cant vote for a republican when I am a democrat and if I regester as 3d party I cant vote at all.
