Holocaust? What holocaust?

On Adolf Eichmann...

EICHMANN PAPERS

Read it and weep. What the Zionists had planed for Germany was far, far, far worse than the so-called 'holocaust'.
 
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Who said anything about killing them? I never advocated any such thing. This would suggest you are reduced to lying in order to get your point across. I clearly advocated the use of the military to either silence them via the military sending them to jails, or even better, expulsion from my country.

That's what I asked, What would you use the military for in dealing with the "faggotry" problem. So you would arrest anyone suspected of being homosexual? Anyone reported to be a homosexual? No trials? How would you accomplish this? Who would pay to incarcerate all these people? Would it be gays and lesbians?

How would expulsion from your country work? Take them down to the docks and throw them into the ocean and shoot any who swam back to shore?

You come on a public discussion site making loud, harsh statements about what should be done, but you don't give any details. You are like Bob the Republican standing on the street corner shouting that we should "Shoot criminals".

I would also like to note that you ignored the last piece of my post, when you should be in the best position of anyone on this site to answer the questions I posted. You seem to be up to your neck in Nazism, so why don't you tell us if any of them have ever done anything worthwhile or for the benefit of the human race.
 
Your beloved Nuremburg trials...

LEGAL PRINCIPLES IGNORED

Should anyone be misled into believing that the extermination of the Jews was "proved" at Nuremberg by "evidence", he should consider the nature of the Trials themselves, based as they were on a total disregard of sound legal principles of any kind. The accusers acted as prosecutors, judges and executioners; "guilt" was assumed from the outset. (Among the judges, of course, were the Russians, whose numberless crimes included the massacre of 15,000 Polish officers, a proportion of whose bodies were discovered by the Germans at Katyn Forest, near Smolensk. The Soviet Prosecutor attempted to blame this slaughter on the German defendants). At Nuremberg, ex post facto legislation was created, whereby men were tried for "crimes" which were only declared crimes after they had been allegedly committed. Hitherto it had been the most basic legal principle that a person could only be convicted for infringing a law that was in force at the time of the infringement. "Nulla Poena Sine Lege." The Rules of Evidence, developed by British jurisprudence over the centuries in order to arrive at the truth of a charge with as much certainty as possible, were entirely disregarded at Nuremberg. It was decreed that "the Tribunal should not be bound by technical rules of evidence" but could admit "any evidence which it deemed to have probative value," that is, would support a conviction. In practise, this meant the admittance of hearsay evidence and documents, which in a normal judicial trial are always rejected as untrustworthy. That such evidence was allowed is of profound significance, because it was one of the principal methods by which the extermination legend was fabricated through fraudulent "written affidavits". Although only 240 witnesses were called in the course of the Trials, no less than 300,000 of these "written affidavits" were accepted by the Court as supporting the charges, without this evidence being heard under oath. Under these circumstances, any Jewish deportee or camp inmate could make any revengeful allegation that he pleased. Most incredible of all, perhaps, was the fact that defence lawyers at Nuremberg were not permitted to cross-examine prosecution witnesses. A somewhat similar situation prevailed at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, when it was announced that Eichmann's defence lawyer could be cancelled at any time "if an intolerable situation should arise," which presumably meant if his lawyer started to prove his innocence. The real background of the Nuremberg Trials was exposed by the American judge, Justice Wenersturm, President of one of Tribunals. He was so disgusted by the proceedings that he resigned his appointment and flew home to America, leaving behind a statement to the Chicago Tribune which ennumerated point by point his objections to the Trials (cf Mark Lautern, Das Letzte Wort über Nürnberg, p. 56). Points 3 -8 are as follows: 3. The members of the department of the Public Prosecutor, instead of trying to formulate and reach a new guiding legal principle, were moved only by personal ambition and revenge. 4. The prosecution did its utmost in every way possible to prevent the defence preparing its case and to make it impossible for it to furnish evidence. 5. The prosecution, led by General Taylor, did everything in its power to prevent the unanimous decision of the Military Court being carried out i.e. to ask Washington to furnish and make available to the court further documentary evidence in the possession of the American Government. 6. Ninety per cent of the Nuremberg Court consisted of biased persons who, either on political or racial grounds, furthered the prosecution's case. 7. The prosecution obviously knew how to fill all the administrative posts of the Military Court with "Americans" whose naturalisation certificates were very new indeed, and who, whether in the administrative service or by their translations etc., created an atmposhere hostile to the accused persons. 8. The real aim of the Nuremberg Trials was to show the Germans the crimes of their Führer, and this aim was at the same time the pretext on which the trials were ordered . . . Had I known seven months earlier what was happening at Nuremberg, I would never have gone there. Concerning Point 6, that ninety per cent of the Nuremberg Court consisted of people biased on racial or political grounds, this was a fact confirmed by others present. According to Earl Carrol, an American lawyer, sixty per cent of the staff of the Public Prosecutor's Office were German Jews who had left Germany after the promulgation of Hitler's Race Laws. He observed that not even ten per cent of the Americans employed at the Nuremberg courts were actually Americans by birth. The chief of the Public Prosecutor's Office, who worked behind General Taylor, was Robert M. Kempner, a German-Jewish emigrant. He was assisted by Morris Amchan. Mark Lautern, who observed the Trials, writes in his book: "They have all arrived: the Solomons, the Schlossbergers and the Rabinovitches, members of the Public Prosecutor's staff . . ." (ibid. p. 68). It is obvious from these facts that the fundamental legal principle: that no man can sit in judgement on his own case, was abandoned altogether. Moreover, the majority of witnesses were also Jews. According to Prof. Maurice Bardeche, who was also an observer at the Trials, the only concern of these witnesses was not to show their hatred too openly, and to try and give an impression of objectivity (Nuremberg ou la Terre Promise, Paris, 1948, p. 149).
 
Oooh... here's more about your wonderful Nuremburg trials...

'CONFESSIONS' UNDER TORTURE

Altogether more disturbing, however, were the methods employed to extract statements and "confessions" at Nuremberg, particularly those from S.S. officers which were used to support the extermination charge. The American Senator, Joseph McCarthy, in a statement given to the American Press on May 20th, 1949, drew attention to the following cases of torture to secure such confessions. In the prison of the Swabisch Hall, he stated, officers of the S.S. Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler were flogged until they were soaked in blood, after which their sexual organs were trampled on as they lay prostrate on the ground. As in the notorious Malmedy Trials of private soldiers, the prisoners were hoisted in the air and beaten until they signed the confessions demanded of them. On the basis of such "confessions" extorted from S.S. Generals Sepp Dietrich and Joachim Paiper, the Leibstandarte was convicted as a "guilty organisation". S.S. General Oswald Pohl, the economic administrator of the concentration camp system, had his face smeared with faeces and was subsequently beaten until he supplied his confession. In dealing with these cases, Senator McCarthy told the Press: "I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured by methods which could only be conceived in sick brains. They were subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor in order to secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticise us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our moral integrity." The methods of intimidation described were repeated during trials at Frankfurt-am-Mein and at Dachau, and large numbers of Germans were convicted for atrocities on the basis of their admissions. The American Judge Edward L. van Roden, one of the three members of the Simpson Army Commission which was subsequently appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials, revealed the methods by which these admissions were secured in the Washington Daily News, January 9th, 1949. His account also appeared in the British newspaper, the Sunday Pictorial, January 23rd, 1949. The methods he described were: "Posturing as priests to hear confessions and give absolution; torture with burning matches driven under the prisoners finger-nails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws; solitary confinement and near starvation rations." Van Roden explained: "The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months . . . The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators." The "American" investigators responsible (and who later functioned as the prosecution in the trials) were: Lt.-Col. Burton F. Ellis (chief of the War Crimes Committee) and his assistants, Capt. Raphael Shumacker, Lt. Robert E. Byrne, Lt. William R. Perl, Mr. Morris Ellowitz, Mr. Harry Thon, and Mr. Kirschbaum. The legal adviser of the court was Col. A. H. Rosenfeld. The reader will immediately appreciate from their names that the majority of these people were "biased on racial grounds" in the words of Justice Wenersturm - that is, were Jewish, and therefore should never have been involved in any such investigation. Despite the fact that "confessions" pertaining to the extemination of the Jews were extracted under these conditions, Nuremberg statements are still regarded as conclusive evidence for the Six Million by writers like Reitlinger and others, and the illusion is maintained that the Trials were both impartial and impeccably fair. When General Taylor, the Chief Public Prosecutor, was asked where he had obtained the figure of the Six Million, he replied that it was based on the confession of S.S. General Otto Ohlendorf. He, too, was tortured and his case is examined below. But as far as such "confessions" in general are concerned, we can do no better than quote the British Sunday Pictorial when reviewing the report of Judge van Roden: "Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their prosecutors."

Damn, if someone was stepping on my balls, thus crushing them, I probably would 'confess' to killing millions of Jews if it would stop the pain.
 
That's what I asked, What would you use the military for in dealing with the "faggotry" problem. So you would arrest anyone suspected of being homosexual? Anyone reported to be a homosexual? No trials? How would you accomplish this? Who would pay to incarcerate all these people? Would it be gays and lesbians?

How would expulsion from your country work? Take them down to the docks and throw them into the ocean and shoot any who swam back to shore?

You come on a public discussion site making loud, harsh statements about what should be done, but you don't give any details. You are like Bob the Republican standing on the street corner shouting that we should "Shoot criminals".

I would also like to note that you ignored the last piece of my post, when you should be in the best position of anyone on this site to answer the questions I posted. You seem to be up to your neck in Nazism, so why don't you tell us if any of them have ever done anything worthwhile or for the benefit of the human race.

Not at all. I would arrest only those of promoting their deviant 'homosexuality'. These days, this crap is being taught to our children as an 'alternate lifestyle'. Anyone caught doing this will be jailed for a very long time, or worse yet, booted out of the country. Is not your country, the good 'ol USA a bastion of kindness? Surely then you would have no problem taking them yes? You see, if you did not, that would make you a hypocrite.

The State would pay to incarcerate them, but we need not worry about that after those who have successfully gone through 'retraining'. Any fag so much as touches a little boy will be jailed for life, perhaps even executed, dependant upon the severity of the crime.

Social security? Job benefits? Community centers for workers? The rocket? The jet? The delta-wing design? Atomic energy? Fuel-injection? Do you not CURRENTLY use the same ideas in order to save your economy that the Nazis used to save theirs? Your current film, advertising and documentary industry have the Nazis to thank. Your own interstates are a result of the Autobahn.
 
FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE, WIKI. *ROTFLMAO* Notice the term 'unsourced'? This means it cannot be substantiated. You do also realise that the Nuremburg trials were known for the mass beatings and torture of Nazi officers?

From every legitimate source you goofball!:rolleyes: All war time death totals have some small degree of estimation. But that matters not. The Nazis murdered millions of civilian men women & children. Are you so lacking of any intellect at all that you can't grasp this?

The exact number doesn't even matter in the least. Does you conscience somehow feel better if it were only one million and not six million? The Nazis and their Right Wing Fascist thinking was weird warped and murderous to innocent civilians in their own country no less.


As far as their treatment in captivity... they were treated like kings compared to how they treated their prisoners.

Nazi = scum of the earth losers!:rolleyes:

Everyone watch and see...


 
From every legitimate source you goofball!:rolleyes: All war time death totals have some small degree of estimation. But that matters not. The Nazis murdered millions of civilian men women & children. Are you so lacking of any intellect at all that you can't grasp this?

The exact number doesn't even matter in the least. Does you conscience somehow feel better if it were only one million and not six million? The Nazis and their Right Wing Fascist thinking was weird warped and murderous to innocent civilians in their own country no less.


As far as their treatment in captivity... they were treated like kings compared to how they treated their prisoners.

Nazi = scum of the earth losers!:rolleyes:

Everyone watch and see...



Ah, I see you did not watch the videos. Tell me, why did the camps have swimming pools? For the ducks?

The numbers matter very much, for if they can lie about the numbers, then it logically follows that they are capable of lying about anything. It is FACT the Soviets killed 25,000 Polish officers. All shot at point-blank range by the Soviets AFTER they had taken Poland. Yet, no one says a word about this. For awhile, it was accepted that it was the Nazis who did this, although all they had to do with it was find their mass grave. Churchill knew about this incident long before the Nazis ever found the remains, but kept quiet about it so as not to upset his new allies. You were saying...?
 
On Adolf Eichmann...

EICHMANN PAPERS

Read it and weep. What the Zionists had planed for Germany was far, far, far worse than the so-called 'holocaust'.

I didn't read all of your posted source, but most of it. If the plan of the Zionists is what is refered to in the quote below, then it's obvious that it wasn't the plan of the Zionists at all, but rather the ravings of a crazy man.
"This book, published in the United States by a deranged American Jew, presents a crazy plan for liquidating millions of Germans after the war. It was published in August 1941, and is referred to by Goebbels a few weeks before he introduced the plan for Jews to wear a yellow star. You can see a logical sequence of events, and Eichmann refers to this book as being one reason why, in his own mind, he can justify to himself the crimes that he was seeing committed."

In fact, just a few paragraphs below this quote Eichman talks about the logistics of transporting and dealing with a couple of million people and notes that it would be impossible just from the standpoint of transportation. Obviously the Zionists would have had even a worse problem exterminating the whole German population of tens of millions of people. So basically, you are accusing the Zionists of planning to commit a crime orders of magnitude greater than the crime which Eichman says is logistically impossible to commit. Is that logical?
 
I didn't read all of your posted source, but most of it. If the plan of the Zionists is what is refered to in the quote below, then it's obvious that it wasn't the plan of the Zionists at all, but rather the ravings of a crazy man.
"This book, published in the United States by a deranged American Jew, presents a crazy plan for liquidating millions of Germans after the war. It was published in August 1941, and is referred to by Goebbels a few weeks before he introduced the plan for Jews to wear a yellow star. You can see a logical sequence of events, and Eichmann refers to this book as being one reason why, in his own mind, he can justify to himself the crimes that he was seeing committed."

In fact, just a few paragraphs below this quote Eichman talks about the logistics of transporting and dealing with a couple of million people and notes that it would be impossible just from the standpoint of transportation. Obviously the Zionists would have had even a worse problem exterminating the whole German population of tens of millions of people. So basically, you are accusing the Zionists of planning to commit a crime orders of magnitude greater than the crime which Eichman says is logistically impossible to commit. Is that logical?

Ah, so finally you admit that no such thing occurred to millions of Jews then? It is about time.
 
Not at all. I would arrest only those of promoting their deviant 'homosexuality'. These days, this crap is being taught to our children as an 'alternate lifestyle'. Anyone caught doing this will be jailed for a very long time, or worse yet, booted out of the country. Is not your country, the good 'ol USA a bastion of kindness? Surely then you would have no problem taking them yes? You see, if you did not, that would make you a hypocrite.

The State would pay to incarcerate them, but we need not worry about that after those who have successfully gone through 'retraining'. Any fag so much as touches a little boy will be jailed for life, perhaps even executed, dependant upon the severity of the crime.
Are you confusing child molestors with gay people? Pedophilia is already illegal.

I'm curious if you have any education in biology. Would you edit biology texts to omit the fact that almost all the higher animals have homosexuality as a regular part of their lives? You seem fairly confused about the subject and are perhaps not well enough educated to be announcing who should be incarcerated or thrown out of your country.

Additionally, for you to call us hypocrites for refusing to take YOUR own citizens that you have decided to eject is hardly rational.

Social security? Job benefits? Community centers for workers? The rocket? The jet? The delta-wing design? Atomic energy? Fuel-injection? Do you not CURRENTLY use the same ideas in order to save your economy that the Nazis used to save theirs? Your current film, advertising and documentary industry have the Nazis to thank. Your own interstates are a result of the Autobahn. [/COLOR]
Propaganda? I rest my case, the Nazis have provided nothing of obvious benefit to the human race except weapons, socialist programs, and propaganda techniques.
 
Are you confusing child molestors with gay people? Pedophilia is already illegal.

I'm curious if you have any education in biology. Would you edit biology texts to omit the fact that almost all the higher animals have homosexuality as a regular part of their lives? You seem fairly confused about the subject and are perhaps not well enough educated to be announcing who should be incarcerated or thrown out of your country.

You are comparing humankind to animals??? *ROTFLMAO* You question MY education, yet it is you who sits there yapping about animals getting their fag on. *ROTFLMAO* Should we give those same faggot animals 'gay marriage rights'? *ROTFLMAO*

Additionally, for you to call us hypocrites for refusing to take YOUR own citizens that you have decided to eject is hardly rational.

YOU are berating me for what I would do to all fags/dykes in my fascist society, yet you refuse to take them in as a humane gesture? *ROTFLMAO* THAT, my dear, is utter hypocrisy.


Propaganda? I rest my case, the Nazis have provided nothing of obvious benefit to the human race except weapons, socialist programs, and propaganda techniques.

Social security, worker assistance, housing etc. are all propaganda? You mean to suggest the Nazis never invented any of this? I have over 150 million Americans who would beg to differ. So, that was all propaganda, was it not? The USA admired Hitler's social and economic policies. Want proof?

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*ROTFLMAO* So OWNED.
 
Ah, so finally you admit that no such thing occurred to millions of Jews then? It is about time.[/COLOR]

Here's a radical idea: Read my posts before you respond to them. I have never argued with you about the holocaust, I have read much about the history and books on both sides of the argument--as I noted in one of my previous posts: I don't know what the truth is.

My problem is not with Nazis long dead, but with the violent, insane legacy being prolonged through the actions and beliefs of people today. I've never heard a Nazi speak or read a Nazi write anything that advocated peace (except the peace of the death of the people they hate and fear) or compassion, or coexistence. All I see and hear are the same ethnocentricity, Might is Right, social Darwinism, racial and cultural purity, insane violence, and fear and hatred blather. Is there even ONE Nazi philosopher who has written about anything else?
 
Here's a radical idea: Read my posts before you respond to them. I have never argued with you about the holocaust, I have read much about the history and books on both sides of the argument--as I noted in one of my previous posts: I don't know what the truth is.

My problem is not with Nazis long dead, but with the violent, insane legacy being prolonged through the actions and beliefs of people today. I've never heard a Nazi speak or read a Nazi write anything that advocated peace (except the peace of the death of the people they hate and fear) or compassion, or coexistence. All I see and hear are the same ethnocentricity, Might is Right, social Darwinism, racial and cultural purity, insane violence, and fear and hatred blather. Is there even ONE Nazi philosopher who has written about anything else?

Sweetie, those were not Nazis. Those were skinheads who THINK they are Nazis. It is your own liberal belief system that has led such morons to believe they must follow a 'violent' society such as that found in Nazism. After all, they have been taught by liberals since childhood that Nazism is evil, therefore they pour, through their liberal-induced Nazism, all their hatred, their anger etc. I would suggest you and yours are to blame for their condition, for the destruction of the true principles of Nazism. Nazism was never about hate. It was about stopping the Jewish enemy from destroying their people. Remember, Germany in WWI was winning, and quite handily until the Jews stabbed them in the back, and ensured the destruction of the German people. Look it up ANYWHERE. It was the Jews who talked the British into turning down any peace overtures. They did this TWICE, once in WWI and once in WWII. You are to suggest Hitler never sent emissaries to seek out peace with Britain? No, Jews whispered into Chamberlain's ear 'no peace'.
 
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You are comparing humankind to animals??? *ROTFLMAO* You question MY education, yet it is you who sits there yapping about animals getting their fag on. Should we give those same faggot animals 'gay marriage rights'?
Ah, so you don't have any education in biology. Okay, but it's not my job to teach you. I assume that you are blissful in your ignorance so I'll let you be blissful. It's sad that you are so filled with hate and fear though, it must be a very sad way to live.

YOU are berating me for what I would do to all fags/dykes in my fascist society, yet you refuse to take them in as a humane gesture? THAT, my dear, is utter hypocrisy.
Objecting to the abuses that other countries visit upon their citizens is not hypocrisy, neither is it hypocrisy to recognize that we cannot shelter every person on Earth who is hated by Nazis or their philosophical equivalents. It's a common ploy of criminals to try to blackmail people into paying money by saying that they will kill innocent people if they don't get the money, and then to continue by saying that if they kill anyone it's the fault of the people who failed to pay the money to them. Common criminals are not smart people, just self-serving.

Social security, worker assistance, housing etc. are all propaganda? You mean to suggest the Nazis never invented any of this? I have over 150 million Americans who would beg to differ. So, that was all propaganda, was it not? The USA admired Hitler's social and economic policies. Want proof?

No, that's not what I said at all, I said that what the Nazis have given us have been weapons, socialist programs, and propaganda techniques--they invented them, none of these things is a boon to mankind.

Hitler was viewed very differently just a few years and few million deaths later, wasn't he? Hell, George Bush was popular when he first got into office too.
 
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