The Scotsman
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Straw poll for August - who do you vote for POTUS
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GenSeneca
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Bob Barr - Libertarian!
pocketfullofshells
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as per a normal election you vote has been counted....but not realy 
im a proud supporter of 3rd parties, I did a 30 page report on them with a large amount of interviews with party leaders about the future of them in my state. I also went over all the things in the way, and one of the things in most of my resurch I saw nothing about Polling as a issue. But over talking with many of the party leaders I found that polling was having a huge effect on them with bias Polls and how they related to other areas as well ( such as getting into debates)
im a proud supporter of 3rd parties, I did a 30 page report on them with a large amount of interviews with party leaders about the future of them in my state. I also went over all the things in the way, and one of the things in most of my resurch I saw nothing about Polling as a issue. But over talking with many of the party leaders I found that polling was having a huge effect on them with bias Polls and how they related to other areas as well ( such as getting into debates)
GenSeneca
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I'd really like to see Barr get into the Debates... That would really make my day. McCain and Obama would look like spoiled children fighting in a sandbox - since thats what they are. Honestly... do either of them NOT act like they are ENTITLED to the position of POTUS?
Barr is doomed to fail but I'd rather support an Adult that loses than a spoiled child that wins.
Barr is doomed to fail but I'd rather support an Adult that loses than a spoiled child that wins.
Libsmasher
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what's a "POTUS"? Don't they have those in australia?
TruthAboveAll
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TruthAboveAll
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as per a normal election you vote has been counted....but not realy
im a proud supporter of 3rd parties, I did a 30 page report on them with a large amount of interviews with party leaders about the future of them in my state. I also went over all the things in the way, and one of the things in most of my resurch I saw nothing about Polling as a issue. But over talking with many of the party leaders I found that polling was having a huge effect on them with bias Polls and how they related to other areas as well ( such as getting into debates)
The idea of a 3rd party is great, to a point. Libertarian probably has the best prospect of becoming a viable party. Obviously, the current system and the financial network surrounding this essentially 2-party system is in itself a major obstacle for any other party to gain prominence.
To totally go to a multi-party system in the sense of how they exist in other countries would require not only a significant communication of ideas and positions, but a Constitutional amendment. Where multi-party systems work there is a very low threshold for representation, sometimes as low as 1-2%. But when that threshold is met, the representative government must reflect that percentage.
Possibly the largest obstacle for any of the myriad "3rd" parties we are familiar with here in the U.S. is the task of developing a well-rounded, cohesive party platform and developing a following. Libertarian, Green Party, and Constitution are the most significant three, but there are MANY others. Many revolve around a single issue, with only lip service to other issues.
Until there is substantial growth in any given party as an alternative to the "big two", polling will reflect their lack of significance. The Republican and Democrat parties are so large, differences in views on various issues can still be contained under the party's umbrella. A developing alternative party doesn't have that luxury, yet that issue lends to their own lack of cohesion and growth. Polls reflect general philosophies like liberal and conservative.
I can see some validity behind the current exclusion of every Tom-Dick-&-Harry politico that comes along. We've had Presidential debates that included Libertarian and Green party candidates. I've watched some, and to be honest it is a waste of time. So much time is spent wandering through background information these 3rd party candidates always feel they need to express, little is left for expounding their positions with specificity. They tend to end up looking vague and meaningless.
TruthAboveAll
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Barr in the debates could be fabulous. I think the Libertarian Party is possibly in the strongest position to develop viability.
I can't say I agree that McCain and Obama being like spoiled children. I'm not sure what you are basing that opinion on.
Entitled? I must agree where Obama is concerned. Now that he's officially (almost at this time of day) the Democrat nominee, and leading up to today, I've seen a growing attitude of entitlement. I don't see that in McCain. I do see a sense of confidence he has that he is capable of winning the election, and not sure if he should feel as confident as he seems to at times.
The idea of voting for Barr is appealing. As a Conservative, I agree more with his personal positions than with McCain or (choke!) Obama. But the two words that keep coming to mind are "Ross Perot." We will never know for sure, but it's very likely that Bill Clinton would have never won in '92 without him.
The Scotsman
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Is there likey to be a third viable contender? We're (us pesky foreigners) pretty much focused on the two main ones
Pandora
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Lib, are you from the land down under?
I did not know that, I always figured you were a true blue red blooded American, you sure know more about our Country than most of the tards I meet
Pandora
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I will probably vote third party. But that is only because my state is full of libs, and besides that the libs run our currupt voting system so its a true case of who counts the votes is who has the power.
but if I were in Ohio, Florida or any other battle ground state, I would proudly vote against "THE ONE" the Messiah, on his way to godhood tonight in his greek temple, and that means yep Id vote McCain.
but If He picks Romney tomorrow like I am hoping, I will probably not vote 3d party and get me some mccain/ROMNEY 2008 stickers
but if I were in Ohio, Florida or any other battle ground state, I would proudly vote against "THE ONE" the Messiah, on his way to godhood tonight in his greek temple, and that means yep Id vote McCain.
but If He picks Romney tomorrow like I am hoping, I will probably not vote 3d party and get me some mccain/ROMNEY 2008 stickers
GenSeneca
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I'm in Ohio... If McCain picks someone OTHER than Romney, I'm voting Barr.
Thats because you're a fellow Conservative... Ask the Bots and they will tell you McCain thinks he's entitled because he was a POW. While I don't agree with that assessment...
McCain has made his entire political career as a "Maverick" by blasting Conservatives and for that reason, doesn't deserve the office. McCain thinks flipping us the bird gives him "bipartisan" credibility, all it says to me is that he's willing to sell us out, and capitulate to the Left, for political gain.
If McCain wins, it will send a message to the Republican party that Conservatives aren't necessary, we can be ignored since there's no chance we're gonna sell out our own principles and vote Socialist (Democrat). We, as Conservatives, have our choice between Marxism and Marxism lite...
Its time Conservatives FLIPPED REPUBLICANS THE BIRD and went Libertarian.
Pandora
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I agree with everything you are saying.
He wants to remake what it means to be a Republican, that is dangerous and it may not be worth stopping obama if it would change the party to do it.
besides I am starting to get excited about how horrible I can act, all in the name of patriotism. I will literally get a constant signs for my yard like the guy down the street has
his first one says Its not Bush Bashing, In Oregon we call it thinking. Change the name and bingo, what a pretty sign. He has another one, a huge one across from the grade school that says Bush Death Count and there is blood drops painted all over it, and if anyone dies in Iraq, it doesnt matter if it was from a heart attack, they are numbered on his wall. I can count all the late term abortions that "THE ONE" permits.
So in a very wierd strange and twisted way, I am kind of excited about being able to bash the new cult leader of the democrat party, and all in the name of patriotism!
Either way really, I am going to be ok, If Mccain doesnt get it, I will chalk it up to his ignoring his base and conservatives, and get the chance to rant over the lord god obama, the leader of the nut case party.
If Obama loses, I can feel secure that he will never come around again and he will have to start a church for his cult following to get their daily dose of koolaid. And if McCain picks Romney, that would mean Romney would be the front runner in 2012 against Hillary... No way McCain would go for a second term, and if "THE ONE" bombs this time around he will never be able to do run again, Making Hillary the front runner.
No, at best they take votes away from one of the viable ones.
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Pandora
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But Rob, at some point you have to say ok you are to far off base for me.
When both parties are so far left what can you do? change who you are or get a new party ?
When Reagan left the D party for the R party, he said I did not leave my party, my party left me. But now the republican party is becoming watered down to a point that the old democrat party in the 60s was more conservative than the current republican party.
at some point a person has to say ok that is enough!
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