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House repeals Obamacare 245-189; Dem calls Republicans "Nazis" on the House floor

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  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Well, Republicans kept one of their campaign promises, as the House voted to repeal Obamacare. The repeal bill is less likely to get through the Senate where Democrats still hold a reduce majority, though there is hope as some Senate Dems run scared of their constituents who overwhelmingly want the Health Care takeover repealed. In any event, it is very unlikely that President Obama will sign any repeal bill that may reach his desk.

    Still it's a sign of times to come. 2/3 of the Senate has yet to face election after Democrats shoved Obamacare down the throats of huge majorities of their constituents who didn't want it... as does Obama himself.

    The House currently has 242 Republicans and 193 Democrats. Even if every Republican voted to repeal, it is clear that some Democrats did so too.

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    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/138897-house-votes-to-repeal-healthcare-law

    House repeals healthcare law
    By Russell Berman - 01/19/11 05:54 PM ET

    The House voted on Wednesday to repeal the sweeping healthcare law enacted last year, as Republicans made good on a central campaign pledge and laid down the first major policy marker of their new majority.

    The vote was 245-189.

    Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the healthcare law on the books would increase spending, raise taxes and eliminate jobs.

    “Repeal means paving the way for better solutions that will lower the costs without destroying jobs or bankrupting our government," Boehner said in remarks on the floor before the vote.

    “Let’s stop payment on this check before it can destroy more jobs or put us into a deeper hole.”

    The vote to roll back the president’s signature domestic achievement of the 111th Congress just 10 months after its passage underscores the deep divisions that still surround the new law. But whether House action will signal the beginning of a rapid dismantling of the healthcare overhaul or serve merely as a historical footnote remains to be seen.

    Democratic leaders in the Senate have vowed to shelve the repeal bill, and Obama has said he would veto repeal if it ever reached his desk.

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    On the House floor, however, rank-and-file members occasionally broke with the restrained and civil tone. On Tuesday night, Democratic Rep. Steve Cohen (Tenn.) compared Republican claims about the healthcare reform law to lies promulgated by the Nazis that led to the Holocaust.

    "They don't like the truth, so they summarily dismiss it," said Cohen, who is Jewish. "They say it's a government takeover of healthcare. A big lie, just like [Nazi propaganda minister Joseph] Goebbels. You say it enough and you repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie until eventually people believe it. Like blood libel, that's the same kind of thing.

    "The Germans said enough about the Jews and people believed it, and you have the Holocaust," he added. "You tell a lie over and over again."

    Party leaders did not comment on Cohen’s remarks, but they came hours after the second-ranking House Democrat, Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.), complained that too much of the public debate “is about incitement rather than informing.”

    “It's about making people angry [and] disrespecting the other point of view or the other side," Hoyer added. "We have a responsibility to try to focus debate ... in a way that does not incite, but that informs."

    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), a conservative firebrand, called the healthcare law “the crown jewel of socialism.”


    (Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
     
  2. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    yep. Sounds like business as usual on capitol hill. The Republicans pass a bill they know darned well won't go anywhere for the sole purpose of scoring points, and the Democrats descend to the level of comparing the opposition to Nazis.

    Partisanship at is loveliest.
     
  3. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    sounds about right

    While I completely agree the Claims by the Right amount to little more then throwing lies against a wall hoping they stick....the Nazi Caparison has no place in this debate, even more so with recent events where we have called to end this type of talk. If you have to use the Nazi's in your debate just shut up and let others do the talking, as you just look like a ass...even if your correct in your main point.

    but now the tea party can go say look at us, we did it...we did ...nothing at all...and hope they have appeased the masses and go on to what they do best...ignoring issues , raising money, and doing what ever the corporations want them to do.
     
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    Dems worship this man
     
  5. Gunny

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    It's possible it won't go to the Senate. Reid said earlier this week they wouldn't bring it to the Senate if Congress repealed it.

    If it does go to the Senate it will be interesting how the Democrats who are up for re-election will vote. If they vote with Obama and their party they risk not winning their election due to ObamaCare being so unpopular.

    Obama is a sinking ship. Do the Dems go down with him or abandon ship.
     
  6. Stalin

    Stalin Well-Known Member

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    ..er..not quite ...

    Chapter 10 of Mein Kampf ( 1925 )

    ...All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying..."


    Comrade Stalin
     
  7. Little-Acorn

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    Not quite.

    Actually they did it to put each member of Congress on record as either supporting or opposing the bill.

    This record will be brought up and emphasized for the Nov. 2012 elections, to continue the trend started in the 2010 elections.
     
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    Gunny well said..Let's face some hard facts. For decades, even under the administration of Ronald Reagan, the entitlement mentality of most Americans never wavered. It never met with a serious challenge of any kind. Not with Reagan, not with the "Republican revolution" of the 1990s, not with the Tea Party today. There's only one thing that will shut down the entitlement mentality, I'm sorry to say, and that one thing is: The halting of the American economy. It's a vicious cycle our society is in. The more economically productive and prosperous our nation became, the more people shrieked for their "fair share" of the pie (even if they played no role in baking that pie). The worse things become, the more the entitlement mentality simply runs into a brick wall of reality.

    There's nothing about economic prosperity that makes the entitlement mentality inevitable. But once the government establishes something as a "right," people tend not to question their entitlement to that "right" ever again. Sad but true..

    regards
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    Obamacare means the vicious cycle continues: The more entrenched the entitlement mentality becomes, the more people demand "more" freebies to ease their pain. (If you doubt this, watch the next time unemployment benefits come up for renewal.)

    But there's less and less to give away, as a lot of frustrated people have pointed out. How can government create more out of less? Of course, it cannot. This is what most Americans have not faced, and what their leaders will not tell them.

    Americans, and the world more generally, must remember two things. One, there's no such thing as Santa Claus. Wealth does not come out of thin air, and there are no elves creating prosperity at the North Pole. Two, if it's Robin Hood you want -- a cool-sounding, arrogant and sophisticated Barack Obama taking from the rich and giving to the "poor" -- the very metaphor implies that there are an always growing reservoir of rich people to expropriate. Wealth, to be redistributed, first has to be produced. To quench the always intensifying thirst of the welfare-entitlement state, the economy must constantly grow to keep up with it. Everyone assumes that the American economy will always grow as it always has -- well, just because. It's the American economy; how could the American economy ever fall? They likewise assume that the government can, and will always, provided unlimited benefits on demand.

    A true leader would confront Americans with the fact that there is no Santa Claus, and there will be no Robin Hood. There's no economic equivalent of a car that will never run out of gas. The American economy is running out of gas. The solution, in terms of fuel, is not more entitlement spending, but more productivity. People who are already productive will have to demand to be left alone, and insist on keeping what they earn, while committing to pay for their own medical care, school tuition and houses in an unhampered marketplace. Those unwilling to be productive will have to learn to become that way, or convince others to take care of them on a voluntary basis. The private marketplace must be restored as an uninhibited part of American life, to provide the goods and services that government will never be able to deliver. JMO...

    regards
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    No doubt. Further, the votes will be used as a part of the partisan crapfling that substitutes for reason, logic, and fact in our political campaigns. People still won't know what is in the health care bill, but will oppose or support it based on which party they identify with.
     
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    what the fact that they had to vote on less then 2 yeas ago was not enogh?

    it was a stunt ...end of story
     
  12. Rick

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    The bill was passed so that senators can get on record as to how they stand - no more of the sneaky late night votes on unread bills and parliamentary legerdemain as when the original bill passed. Meanwhile, Harry Reid says he won't even allow a vote on it - this being the same guy who just gave self-righteous lectures on obstructionism by the filibuster. :D
     
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    I am pretty sure the Republicans in the House passed the bill because they object to the previous bill that was passed..

    As for it "not going anywhere", that is irrelevant, it is not the place of members of the House to worry about politics in the Senate, the job of a member of the House is to work on and pass legislation in the House.

    If it goes nowhere, and it won't, is not the point..
     
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    It is unclear to me why the time of day at which a bill was voted on somehow means you are unaware of how someone voted?
     
  15. Rick

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    Whaa-aaaa-aaaaa--aaattt??
     
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