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How many aircraft carriers do we need?

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  1. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    and yet we hear of how the military has been depleted under Democratic rule....

    How many aircraft carriers do we need, when China has two and Russia is about to have none at all?

    Just wondering, just like I wonder whether we really need to spend so much on the military. What do you think?
     
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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    About 10 times as many as we now have , and about 10 times as much as we are spending now.

    BTW, the carrier now being built were approved of by Obama in spite of the lies told by Trump.
     
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    I think PR was happy we had one to spare.
    The world i s still a big place and nothing allo we you to project power like these ships.
     
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    As @dogtowner mentioned, in reality it is all about power.

    Power of the nation and power of the companies making good money.
     
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    A waste of time.
    Turn them into luxury condo's and make some money out of them - they come with landing facilities of the corporate jet.
     
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    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    The ultimate answer to "my yacht is bigger than your yacht."
     
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    My thoughts are along the lines of can the US/Navy afford to lose a carrier of this size?
    Is the doctrine upon which these machines are based valid any longer?
     
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    You hear about it every time one pulls up next to someone whose attention we want to get. I'd say it does.
     
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    ;) not the point though was it
     
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    Not to you it seems. We seem to disagree.
     
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    Well, he does tend to use logic, and intelligence, while you rely on the talking points given to you, and a sort of basic animal instinct.
     
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    Has technology rendered them obsolete? Good question. If it has, we'll no doubt continue to pour billions into them anyway in order to keep freedom safe, or keep America safe, or at least line the pockets of whoever it is that makes them.
     
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    To some extent I was thinking along the lines of the types of wars that these machines were designed for, principally, in the first and second world wars where opposing fleets were going toe to toe with each other and where long range surveillance was only possible with aircraft. The last time a carrier was used to any (meaningful) extent was during Vietnam and that was questionable; although it gave the Navy a foot in a land war it wasn't really needed. Today's conflicts are essentially low tech insurgencies and given the range and make-up of the force packages on board I would imagine that they are of marginal use nowadays. To be honest I think these things are legacy items which bring kudos to the service but little else.

    The technology on board these machines is pretty amazing but what do you need DEWS for if you are facing an afghani on a moped with an IED?
     
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    May not want to confuse police actions with maintaining peace in the world. If you need to deliver shock and awe, aircraft carriers are most helpful.
     
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    Here's another thought I have...
    The trouble with that hypothesis is that at the moment the US is undecided and in some cases pulling out of international treaties and internation trading pacts. If the US wants to project power then what role does the negotiating table take. Do you move from threat straight to response without the diplomatic resolve first? Its' one thing to have the stick but if all you have is the stick then one limits ones options?
     
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