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Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by HankHill, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. HankHill

    HankHill New Member

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    Ain't it the truth... Preach on Brother Hurt! Preach on!​

    No, no! Not God Bless Obama... God Damn Obama!​

    "If ya got some liberal friends... they be clappin' like this y'all..."​
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    smells like redneck in here...

    and yes the states need money so yes the feds may give it to them. the other option is the states raise taxes or cut down projects and spend less...thus the opposite of stimulate the econ.
     
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    Er.... WHAT?! LOL! I knew you'd support this. Projects do not help the economy. Where the heck do you get the fruity idea that a government project helps the economy? Let's say the government hands out $1.2 Billion to pay off deficit welfare payments (actual example). How does this stimulate the economy? It doesn't. Moving on.

    Raising taxes does hurt it, yes. But the federal government giving money to the states, because they can't figure out how to not over spend, will cause higher taxes, do you not get this?

    In this case, the federal government bailing out the state, is WORSE than the the state just raising their own taxes... why? Because now the effect of overspending, will cause taxes on EVERYONE!

    But more than that, now the state has no reason whatsoever to be fiscally responsible. "Hey looky there! We can blow billions on crap, and the federal tax payers will give us the cash!"

    So now all the states are going to blow tons of cash, the federal government will Bailout-Barack everyone, and we'll all pay billions more in taxes! You think that's going to help the economy? Heck no!
     
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    We have had eight years of the welfare state for corporations, and it has nearly destroyed the economy. I doubt Obama can outspend, or out-deficit, GW Bush, who gave us 8 years of Imperial Big Government Presidency, while you boys cheered him on, hands waving in the air. So don't preach to us - we know, because we have seen it in action, that all of your anti-govenment and anti-spending tirades are just so much smoke.
     
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    Not sure what you call $800 billion in stimulus, plus $350 billion in TARP funds over the course of 10 days. I would say we are well on pace to set many spending records.
     
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    Just watch him outspend ole' Bushy, oh it's change and it's gonna happen, and it's gonna suck!
     
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    Who owns the NY Post again? It couldn't be right wing propagandist Rupert Murdoch now could it?
     
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    Good ole' Rupert is all demo/lib, just look at Fox news.
     
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    And then you will surpass us, with your own Right Wing style of spending, when next you are in office?
     
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    This is supposed to be justification for massive spending?
     
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    What are you talking about? Obama ALREADY is planing to out deficit GWB. Did you miss the latest estimates on his spending increases? He's going to spend $1.8 Trillion just on the stimulus bill and his increases to other government projects. That's more than complete operations costs of the war on terror since 2003 to present, including Iraq and Afghanistan combined, plus construction cost!

    See, you start off on your holyer than thou attitude, and your guy is already specifically planning to blow trillions! Hey kettle, you are black too pal.

    And as far as you welfare state for corporations... name one? He's a hint, the biggest welfare check right now is coming from the bailout that Obama supported. And no conservative cheered on Bush over that. No one did.
     
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    yes we should stop spending...to increase spending...cut taxes and the economy will rise...did we not hear that before....you know right before the Bush cut taxes and then we tanked even more?

    as a republican I am sure you have some basic understanding of buinsess, so you should know that spending does not always equal debt...you have to spend to make money sometimes. The fact we are spending now to jump start the econ, if works, could actuly bring in far more money then not spending it. Now do I think there is pork and stuff that will not help in the bill? yes, thats why both sides need to keep working on it. But spending does not always = debt...we just need to make sure its smart spending, and smart target tax cuts...becuse cutting taxes does not = less debt as well.
     
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    The Congressional Budget Office shows growth periods immediately following both rounds of Bush tax cuts. The banking failure was what caused the collapse... not tax cuts.

    What the CBO also shows is an increase in revenue in the quarters following the Bush tax cuts...
     
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    But yes it does, because that 1.2b is being spent at retailers nationwide. Including plenty of retailers that are otherwise are hurting.
    Great, then lets have a state of the union go bankrupt, then see what happens.
    What do you propose otherwise?
    Yeah there is something horrible about building infrastructure in places where it is needed, then it creates jobs, and those roads and bridges make it possible for commerce to move easier. What breaks the economy is the big wigs taking mega bonuses when the average person is under employed or worse. You nor I have lived through a depression that has seen shanti towns on the highway, but without some help, that is a real possibility.
     
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    Awwww, jeez.....The New York Post....The National Enquirer's little-sister. :rolleyes:

    We've heard all these predictions, before.

    :p

     
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