If Brown wins, might that affect various House/Senate Democrat votes?

[Little-Acorn]

If Brown wins the so-called "Kennedy seat" in Massachusetts for the U.S. Senate, will it sound an ominous warning for other Democrats, in both House and Senate?

Might the other leftists say, "Hmmm, Coakley had a huge lead. But the biggest difference between her and Brown was that she supported Obamacare and Brown declared he was against it. And even the huge lead of a far-left liberal, in a far-left liberal state, wasn't enough to overcome the preference of the far-left voters there... they tossed her out, mostly because of how she would vote on Obamacare.

"Now, do I REALLY want to vote FOR Obamacare in the next vote? My liberal margin isn't even as big as Coakley's was at first, and there have been more TEA parties held in my district than she ever had.

"Uh-oh. Better make a phone call to (Reid or Pelosi, whichever), and extend to them my sincerest apologies, but I won't be able to vote for Obamacare after all, so sorry...."

Even if Brown doesn't win (I have no idea whether he will or not), but comes within a few percent of Coakley after trailing by a 2-to-1 margin or worse earlier, will that send the same message anyway to Democrats trying to get re-elected, in less-liberal districts than Massachusetts?

Even if Brown loses, this Mass special election might spell the defeat of Obamacare, as voters show Congress what happens to candidates who support socialistic health care bills.

Some Congressional Dems have been saying that, if Brown wins, they'll either hold up seating him in the Senate until after the Health Care final vote, or they will try to ram the already-passed Senate bill through the House without changes, thus avoiding any further Senate vote.

But if Brown wins this election, even if he doesn't get a chance to vote on the Health Care bill because of those maneuvers, might his victory (or even near-victory) cause some House or Senate Dems to change their vote, out of sheer self-preservation?

 

[dogtowner]

I have to believe that it will impact things fr some of these other options under consideration to cram tis legislation through.

The house only passed theira by 5 originally, may not care for having the senate's version shoved down their throats. And there may be senators not liking that, reconcilliation either.

Keeping people on board will not be simple.

 

[always]

If Brown wins the so-called "Kennedy seat" in Massachusetts for the U.S. Senate, will it sound an ominous warning for other Democrats, in both House and Senate?

Might the other leftists say, "Hmmm, Coakley had a huge lead. But the biggest difference between her and Brown was that she supported Obamacare and Brown declared he was against it. And even the huge lead of a far-left liberal, in a far-left liberal state, wasn't enough to overcome the preference of the far-left voters there... they tossed her out, mostly because of how she would vote on Obamacare.

"Now, do I REALLY want to vote FOR Obamacare in the next vote? My liberal margin isn't even as big as Coakley's was at first, and there have been more TEA parties held in my district than she ever had.

"Uh-oh. Better make a phone call to (Reid or Pelosi, whichever), and extend to them my sincerest apologies, but I won't be able to vote for Obamacare after all, so sorry...."

Even if Brown doesn't win (I have no idea whether he will or not), but comes within a few percent of Coakley after trailing by a 2-to-1 margin or worse earlier, will that send the same message anyway to Democrats trying to get re-elected, in less-liberal districts than Massachusetts?

Even if Brown loses, this Mass special election might spell the defeat of Obamacare, as voters show Congress what happens to candidates who support socialistic health care bills.

Some Congressional Dems have been saying that, if Brown wins, they'll either hold up seating him in the Senate until after the Health Care final vote, or they will try to ram the already-passed Senate bill through the House without changes, thus avoiding any further Senate vote.

But if Brown wins this election, even if he doesn't get a chance to vote on the Health Care bill because of those maneuvers, might his victory (or even near-victory) cause some House or Senate Dems to change their vote, out of sheer self-preservation?

After Scott Brown WINS today , the few smart democrats in our Congress will rethink their crazy obamaism position . It IS VERY POSSIBLE OBAMA HIMSELF MAY DECIDE TO "TAKE TIME SERVED "
AS A WAY TO END HIS MISERY ,OUR NATIONS DISGUST AND SAVE
PRECIOUS LIVES OF OUR MILITARY! USING 'TIME SERVED" as an out would be the BEST thing he could do for America and indeed the entire WORLD.
America made a HUGE MISTAKE, we put into our White House an inept man , no reason , no good judgement BUT one who could read very well and parrot the terrible message written by those who did not have the best interest of America in their hearts. Time for all Freedom loving Americans to WELCOME his departure, praise him for at least having the good sense to realize that he is not what even he thought he was. No SHAME in knowning you cannot swim, the harm comes from staying in the deep end of the pool!

 

[TruthAboveAll]

If Brown wins the so-called "Kennedy seat" in Massachusetts for the U.S. Senate, will it sound an ominous warning for other Democrats, in both House and Senate?

Might the other leftists say, "Hmmm, Coakley had a huge lead. But the biggest difference between her and Brown was that she supported Obamacare and Brown declared he was against it. And even the huge lead of a far-left liberal, in a far-left liberal state, wasn't enough to overcome the preference of the far-left voters there... they tossed her out, mostly because of how she would vote on Obamacare.

"Now, do I REALLY want to vote FOR Obamacare in the next vote? My liberal margin isn't even as big as Coakley's was at first, and there have been more TEA parties held in my district than she ever had.

"Uh-oh. Better make a phone call to (Reid or Pelosi, whichever), and extend to them my sincerest apologies, but I won't be able to vote for Obamacare after all, so sorry...."

Even if Brown doesn't win (I have no idea whether he will or not), but comes within a few percent of Coakley after trailing by a 2-to-1 margin or worse earlier, will that send the same message anyway to Democrats trying to get re-elected, in less-liberal districts than Massachusetts?

Even if Brown loses, this Mass special election might spell the defeat of Obamacare, as voters show Congress what happens to candidates who support socialistic health care bills.

Some Congressional Dems have been saying that, if Brown wins, they'll either hold up seating him in the Senate until after the Health Care final vote, or they will try to ram the already-passed Senate bill through the House without changes, thus avoiding any further Senate vote.

But if Brown wins this election, even if he doesn't get a chance to vote on the Health Care bill because of those maneuvers, might his victory (or even near-victory) cause some House or Senate Dems to change their vote, out of sheer self-preservation?

There is a lot that is unknown about Brown. Depending on what source you listen to, he is a RINO, or he is very Conservative. I would imagine he is like most of us, and a mix of views.

I think time will show, as we learn more about him, that he definitely lists Conservative. Possibly closer to Libertarian than the accepted definition held by Conservative Republicans, but if it is in the critical policy/government areas that will be a huge improvement.

His election will start a new tremor in DC. To date, there are at least, at LEAST 4 Democrats on record questioning the actions taken in the past year. With the announced retirements, as well as those who have openly stated that they are reconsidering their support of HCR, it is possible his election will start a "land run", but this time looking and dashing for solid political footing.

The uber-progressive left is very vocal, and very getting downright nasty. Not that some haven't been all along, but it's definitely ratcheting up. A prime example is Ed Schultz and his vitriolic statements. We've seen close to that right here in HOP.

But I do think that there are numerous very decent men and women in the Democrat party, many of whom may be misguided about their altruistic view of what government should do, but very sincere in their respect for our rights and freedoms. These are the ones who will be open to strong influence from the election of Scott Brown. There will be a lot of gut-checking going on, and reviewing of what those tea leaves are saying.

The explosion resulting if they go ahead and ram this through is going to be awesome. I think there are a growing number of Blue-Dog Democrats in both houses, many serving their first term, who are going to back pedal from this most dangerous of courses their leadership has been herding them down.

So yes, if Scott Brown is elected today there will be impacts on others. That is with any margin of victory. What happens, what nefarious shenanigans they may try to pull in regard to HCR is up for grabs. If his margin is anything over, say, 5% it will be a more profound impact. The larger the margin, the larger the sonic boom.

If he loses, and it is close, there will still be a huge impact. The Dems may claim that any victory is a continued mandate from the voters, but unless she totally slams him many will know that is not true.

Of course, SEUI, Acorn, etc., are alive and well and working overtime today. And there are thousands of dead Democrats to be heard from in Massachusetts. Perhaps they will join forces and dedicate themselves to the Ed Schultz/Al Franken mindset...

 

[dogtowner]

There is a lot that is unknown about Brown. Depending on what source you listen to, he is a RINO, or he is very Conservative. I would imagine he is like most of us, and a mix of views.

I think time will show, as we learn more about him, that he definitely lists Conservative. Possibly closer to Libertarian than the accepted definition held by Conservative Republicans, but if it is in the critical policy/government areas that will be a huge improvement.

His election will start a new tremor in DC. To date, there are at least, at LEAST 4 Democrats on record questioning the actions taken in the past year. With the announced retirements, as well as those who have openly stated that they are reconsidering their support of HCR, it is possible his election will start a "land run", but this time looking and dashing for solid political footing.

The uber-progressive left is very vocal, and very getting downright nasty. Not that some haven't been all along, but it's definitely ratcheting up. A prime example is Ed Schultz and his vitriolic statements. We've seen close to that right here in HOP.

But I do think that there are numerous very decent men and women in the Democrat party, many of whom may be misguided about their altruistic view of what government should do, but very sincere in their respect for our rights and freedoms. These are the ones who will be open to strong influence from the election of Scott Brown. There will be a lot of gut-checking going on, and reviewing of what those tea leaves are saying.

The explosion resulting if they go ahead and ram this through is going to be awesome. I think there are a growing number of Blue-Dog Democrats in both houses, many serving their first term, who are going to back pedal from this most dangerous of courses their leadership has been herding them down.

So yes, if Scott Brown is elected today there will be impacts on others. That is with any margin of victory. What happens, what nefarious shenanigans they may try to pull in regard to HCR is up for grabs. If his margin is anything over, say, 5% it will be a more profound impact. The larger the margin, the larger the sonic boom.

If he loses, and it is close, there will still be a huge impact. The Dems may claim that any victory is a continued mandate from the voters, but unless she totally slams him many will know that is not true.

Of course, SEUI, Acorn, etc., are alive and well and working overtime today. And there are thousands of dead Democrats to be heard from in Massachusetts. Perhaps they will join forces and dedicate themselves to the Ed Schultz/Al Franken mindset...

There are reports that he is not all that conservative but elative to the predecessor its a notable shft right should he prevail over ACORN, SEIU, Black Panthers etal.

The best part is the mere fact that we are discussing a possibility is a huge wake up call for the donkeys.

They were nervous before the NJ & VA governor races, they were frightened afterward. I suspect they are nearing frantic.

 

[Gipper]

There are reports that he is not all that conservative but elative to the predecessor its a notable shft right should he prevail over ACORN, SEIU, Black Panthers etal.

The best part is the mere fact that we are discussing a possibility is a huge wake up call for the donkeys.

They were nervous before the NJ & VA governor races, they were frightened afterward. I suspect they are nearing frantic.

If the election is close, the Dems will steal it just like they did in MN with that big fat idiot Franken. Why does no one in the MSM discuss that theft? Rhetorically question...
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/franken-steals-mn-election-no-protests

However, even if Brown wins there are several progressive Rs willing to deal with Barry. The Ohio R dummy is meeting Barry today...
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/19/is-george-voinovich-going-to-screw-the-gop-on-health-care/

Sadly, Brown is also a moderate progressive. He will do crazy things similar to the two R fools in Maine.

 

[dogtowner]

Sadly, Brown is also a moderate progressive. He will do crazy things similar to the two R fools in Maine.

those two are catching heat. didn't you wonder why they didn't vote dem as they always do ?

 

[Gipper]

those two are catching heat. didn't you wonder why they didn't vote dem as they always do ?

They have been catching heat for years and that never stopped them from voting with the Dems.

I think this time the heat was too great (ie., even the libs in Maine said we don't want that sh*tty plan), so they did not side with the Dems.

But, as I posted elsewhere, that dipsh*t in R senator in Ohio just might change his vote and go with Barry. Progressives are an insidious bunch.

 

[dogtowner]

They have been catching heat for years and that never stopped them from voting with the Dems.

I think this time the heat was too great (ie., even the libs in Maine said we don't want that sh*tty plan), so they did not side with the Dems.

But, as I posted elsewhere, that dipsh*t in R senator in Ohio just might change his vote and go with Barry. Progressives are an insidious bunch.

Yeah but the twins had been winning fairly easily. Not so sure that will continue.

We'll have to see if Cantor can make him see the light. That being that he wont be a congressman much longer if he does.