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Illegals immigrants - big part of the problems

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by chestnut, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    If Obama really was trying to help american workers, he needs to halt Congressman Guiterraz plan to stop illegal worksite enforcement.


    Let's be honest. the more and more illegal immigrants we have in this country, the worse off this country will be.

    They burdon our health care, our law enforcement, our education system as well as the jobs that are lost to them.

    The dems and Obama need to take a stand on these issues or they can retire their worn out mantra that they want to help americans.

    I have not heard the new admin address much about the illegal immigration problem.

    Except that the illegal immigrant childeren will now get free healht care under the schip bill.
     
  2. Chip

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    Once again, BHO illustrates that he is nothing special and merely another ubiquitous braying party animal.

    Indeed, illegal immigration along with other aspects of population non-management are greatly contributing to the recession in America and exacerbating the misery Americans are thereby experiencing.

    The right thing to do is to halt illegal immigration and enforce ferreting illegals out and deporting them.

    But, as Obama exhibited with regard to "releasing" embryonic stem cell research, he is much less about doing the right thing and much more about partisanly pandering to those who campaigned for him ...

    ... Which is exactly what we don't need in these difficult times which call for courageous non-pandering leadership.
     
  3. Hobo1

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    Well, it seems we have a duet of operatic thespians singing the same sour notes.

    Simply because your fingers can write a statement does not make it true.

    "Let's be honest. the more and more illegal immigrants we have in this country, the worse off this country will be."

    You can type in "the impact of illegal immigrants" into Google and you will find an enormous quality of research papers that have claimed to study the problem and come to vastly different conclusions. Not surprisingly, most of the papers reflect the biased opinion of the organizations the authors are working for.

    When all is said and done, presumably independent organizations (ie. Congressional Budget Office), conclude the weight of intangibles (such as cost of labor intensive business moving outside the US), make an accurate cost:benefit calculation impossible.Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants

    The issue of embryonic stem cell research falls into the same category. Nancy Reagan would certainly vehemently argue that embryonic stem cell research could have prevented her husband's prolonged and pitiful death. Of course, what would we do with Ronald Reagan if he were still alive today?

    There are times when we admittedly reach a cross-roads and subjective judgments must be made. I would never impugn the integrity of any leader who must make a hard, subjective judgment. I supported Bush when he withdrew Federal funding. I support Obama when he re-instates it. Both sides have their merits and drawbacks. That's why we elect policy makers.
     
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    What....the 1%ers are gonna start contracting illegals to rip-off American-investors for them??!!!

    :eek:

    I guess we can take-comfort in the fact Bernie Madoff was White!!!!
     
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    Irrelevant and erroneous.

    Obama is simply pandering, and nothing more, and he is thereby exacerbating problems.

    He's truly nothing special.

    We need better.
     
  6. HankHill

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    Very true Chip, he campaigned with an air of "special-ness" and OH yes "change", but is delivering the same old B.S. politics, but with a nasty taste of socialism.

    As for Hobo1, you make the comment:

    yet you precede that with a comment like this:

    Don't look now but your liberal hypocrisy is showing...

    Illegals are causing billions in health care alone. That is not to mention the "violent" element that some of them bring with them. Yet our leaders release them back into society to flourish in their criminal ways. And no, you liberals, I'm not saying all illegals are violent, as you were most likely about to reply with a spin on that.
     
  7. Hobo1

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    HankHill, you have totally mis-typecast me. I am a fiscal conservative, social libertarian. If I had my way I would legalize elective euthanasia so anyone could choose the option of dying with dignity and without pain.

    My father suffered through 8 years of Alzheimer's and it is fate worse than torture. I got a call in the middle of the night telling me my father could no longer eat food - did I want a second tube down his throat so he would get nutrition. In other words, "Hey, son, do you want your sick father to live or die". I wish to hell they would have asked him that question when he still had a brain that functioned well enough so he could answer.

    There is no right or proper answer to stem cell research. Yes it will save lives and prevent suffering, but what are we going to do when all the diseases that kill people are cured? No one is talking about that!!:mad:

    If you want to "get right with your God" by somehow thinking you are saving lives by opposing stem cell research - then go right ahead and think that way. To my way of thinking that is so far off the primary issue of "do we cure all diseases or do we allow for death with honor"?

    I can see you and Chip and not yet made it to a course in "Advanced Thinking 101"
     
  8. Chip

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    Topically irrelevant, an unwarranted unrelated digressive diversion.


    False.

    The wrong answer is to murder people in their earliest stage of life to use their body parts without their consent to perhaps save the lives of others. Such ageistic justification of murder is simply and obviously wrong.

    The right answer is to say no to murderous Mengele type embryonic stem cell "research", and to say yes to the new more successful methods of stem cell retrieval presently offerred by state-of-the-art science, methods that do not involve murdering anyone.

    It really is that clear and simple, Hobo1.

    Your idiosyncratic support of murderous abortion as a convenient method of birth control for you is blinding you to the simple obvious truth of the matter.


    I'm sorry that people suffer painful debilitating disease.

    But that does not excuse the Mengele-like murder of a class of people to fix these sick people up, no matter how young that class of people is.

    Again, there are better and more promising stem cell retrieval methods than murderous embryonic ones.

    It makes rational sense to stop murdering and focus on better methods.


    It is good to want to cure disease and provide for death with honor.

    It is, of course, wrong to murder people, no matter how young they are.

    Sadly, sickness and otherwise premature death is part of the risk we take by simply being alive ... and we can improve our chances by taking good care of ourselves, eating healthy, getting plenty of exercise, etc.

    But the quick-fix mentality that utilitarianly okays the murder of one class of people to repair another class of people is, in my way of thinking, abhorrent.


    Erroneous, unjustified initiation of ad homimen.

    Your projection is irrelevant, Hobo1.

    And should you ever be interested in a more advanced course of study, feel free to visit here: A Conception's Right To Life, where you might truly receive the lesson in reality you apparently need.
     
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