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Is This Who We Really Are?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    At one of Senator Tom Coburn's (R-Oklahoma) town hall meetings on Monday, a woman attended, and was so emotional and in such obvious distress, at times she could barely be understood through her tears and anguish. It was as if this was her last resort and she knew it. She came to see the Senator out of sheer desperation, to beg for help. Her husband was home suffering from a brain trauma. Their insurance company had declined coverage, and the nursing home where he had been receiving care turned them out, even though he had a feeding tube implanted, informing them, "You're on your own." She asked Senator Coburn for help, adding that their insurance company wouldn't even cover helping him drink.

    It was a heart-wrenching story, but the video that aired on CNN showed the crowd in attendance was unmoved. Unmoved, that is, until Senator Coburn responded. First he informed her his office would look in to it; then he told the distraught woman two astounding things. He told her that her neighbors should be the ones helping. That brought a reaction from the crowd, a round of applause. Then he said to her, "The idea that the government is a solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement." There was an immediate burst of approving applause from the crowd for that remark. It was the Senator's comments, and response it drew from the crowd that made the video worthy of national media attention.

    The government that Senator Coburn said shouldn't help her is the same government that created the rules and regulations that allowed the insurance company to decline coverage. Obviously the insurance company got help from the government, but in his view there should be no help for our citizens. Then there's the part about who Senator Coburn is. Before he became Senator Coburn he was Dr. Coburn, a practicing M.D. from Muskogee, Oklahoma. If he had a patient suffering from a condition as serious as this, would it be his professional medical advice to get out of the nursing home with a feeding tube still implanted, and just go home? "You're on your own." Is that what Dr. Coburn would inform them? "There's no help you deserve from your government or medical practitioners, just go ask your neighbors for help." Is that what Dr. Coburn would tell the family? What if there were no neighbors skilled in medical care of critical patients? Would Dr. Coburn accept the liability for this advice, which he was so comfortable dispensing as Senator Coburn?

    As tragic as the woman's story was, the real appalling part, that reflects on all of us, was the enthusiastic round of supporting applause from the crowd as Senator Coburn informed her she didn't merit help. What have we become?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3jwhLcW_c8
     
  2. ASPCA4EVER

    ASPCA4EVER New Member

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    As the economy takes longer to give back the utopia and we all tighten our belts the paranoia seems to be bringing out the very worst in 'SOME' humans and they become the "I'll protect me & my family at all cost and too hell with you and your problems" mentality.

    And the rats turn on each other and the feeding begins in earnest! :eek:
     
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    Very sad state of affairs.

    And a very good post by you my friend.

    That's called a set up audience publicly backfiring. They bused in a crowd to dog out any talk of needed Health Insurance Reform and then when someone who really needed help came forward... well of course she had to be thrown under the bus (the bus they rode in on by the way:rolleyes:).

    In the end this pubbie circular firing squad against helping people in need will end up being like them running Justice Sotomayor into the dirt. Every dog has their day and a whole lot of people are going to remember what groups under the pubbie banner tried to derail.

    Shame on 'em!;)
     
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    What, you don't think her neighbors are capable of curing his brain trauma? Isn't there a surgeon among them anywhere? Maybe a skilled nurse could help with the feeding tube. No? Well, it's never too late to learn. Just get on the internet and look up "how to curer brain trauma" and "how to take care of a feeding tube." Surely, anyone with a plumbing background could figure that out, don't you think?

    Or, why doesn't she take her hubby to the emergency room? Isn't that where the uninsured go to get medical services? Isn't that the proof that anyone can get medical care?

    Why, of course there are solutions. The patient just needs to stand on his own feet, be a rugged individualist, just like the pioneers who started this country.

    A barn raising, brain surgery, feeding tube maintenance, all of that can be taken care of by the neighborhood working together, just like we did in the good old days. Surely, no one believes that there have been any significant changes during the past 150 or so years, do they?


    Right, and now that there is a proposal on the table to change those rules, it is being attacked as euthanasia, a boon to illegal aliens, and a plan to off granny.

    What a sorry situation.

    Oh, yeah, and for the sarcasmically challenged, surely even you will not take the first part of this post at face value, will you? Promise?
     
  5. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Not all of us.

    Some of us are people who would react to this by forcibly taking money from those same neighbors at gunpoint (called "taxes"), and then take increasing amounts from them, regardless of how much the neighbors might need or deserve it themselves, and try to set up vas tprograms to "help" her instead.

    Those people are called "modern liberals", or "leftists", or "socialists".

    These liberal/socialists can be identified in several ways. One is in their fanatical belief that government is responsible for things that happened long before government was in charge, such as routine actions by private companies.

    The socialists can also be identified by a weird tendency to narrow their vision to only what government does, while ignoring the real world. As an example, socialists will often take a statement like "Your neighbors should be the ones helping", and somehow twist it into, "you don't merit help," with a straight face. To these people, if government doesn't do it, no one will do it.

    Hope that helps answer your question. No, not all of us are like that.
     
  6. Greco

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    Thanks for showing the depth of your buffoonery in an attempt to justify to yourself why it's morally ok to ignore the needs of others.

    Maybe someday, assuming the Wizard will give you a brain, if you have a traumatic brain injury you can report back to us on how all all that neighborly help worked out for ya.

    In the meantime, we did enjoy your feeble, but failed effort to justify the unjustifiable.
     
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    Mare Tranquillity Active Member

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    Jees Looees! Corn, you got all the milk of human kindness of a tarantula.
     
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    Obviously the Senator's point was that expanding the government is not the solution that can best help this woman and her husband.

    In fact, the Senator has proposed S. 1099 (which has been ignored by the Democratic Senate) which would reform health care and insurance in the private market. This solution would bring the most help to this woman and her husband.
     
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    I haven't read that one. Does it rely on neighbors to do brain surgery?

    Or is that just the good senator's idea?
     
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    "This solution would bring the most help to this woman and her husband."

    How exactly does Senator Coburn's plan constitute "the most help to this woman and her husband?" Just making a claim doesn't make it a fact. Fill in the details, if you actually have any. Be sure and include the details about Senator Coburn's plan that would let an individual with a pre-exisiting condition be able to purchase insurance. While you're at it, fill in the part about Senator Coburn's plan that would make health insurance actually affordable.

    You made the claim. Now back it up with facts.
     
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    :D... barn raising brain surgery...:D
     
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    Looks like the usual suspects are either unable or unwilling to address my point (holding neighbors at gun point and taking unlimited amounts to accomplish medical care is a bad solution to the problem), and want to do nothing except call me names and suggest ridiculously obtuse "interpretations" (read: lies) about what others have said here (neighbors doing brain surgery, etc.).

    Why is it that these people are NEVER willing to discuss the real problems, and do nothing but denigrate those who don't want their Nanny-State-govt solutions?

    (Hint: It's because they know their Nanny-state solution isn't viable, and can't come up with any real reasons to boost it over other solutions, so they can only scream and call names).

    As I've said before, it's not a happy time to be a Democrat. Their cherished ideals are finally being brought into public view... and it's becoming obvious that they are destructive, socialistic, and unworkable, as well as being unwanted.

    C'est dommage.
     
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    Not all of us indeed.

    When they lie us into invasions, occupations, war and TORTURE at our expense actually stealing our tax money to go kill & TORTURE people often without cause or spends $138 MILLION DOLLARS on a single airplane that lovely Lunatic Right Wing military redistribution of our wealth is called MILITARY FASCISM!

    These people are called Conservatives, Republicans, Facists and self discribed Right Wing domestic terrorists.

    Hope this explains why the American people kicked the Republican Party that includes these Right Wingnuts to the curb twice in a row now.;)


     
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    How much of your time and money have you contributed to helping this woman and her husband?

    If your answer is "none", then you must think its morally "ok to ignore the needs of others" because that's what you're doing, ignoring the needs of others and sitting on your hands waiting for Big Government to ride to their rescue on the backs of taxpayers, all the while chiding those who have to pull the wagon for not wanting to take on more financial obligations.
     
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    Clearly you can all see that there is something fishy about the way this story is told.

    Are any of you really stupid enough to believe that a nursing home can kick a man out onto the streets and the laws would not already cover that situation?! There is something that is not being told here.

    The senator is right as far as the constition goes: there is no authority for the fed to offer help.

    Whta does her state's constitutions say?
    What does her local gov say?
    What could her friends, family, community and chartity do to help?

    Do any of you really believe that there is not a charity set up to assist in needful situations? Why on a grass roots level it is not uncommon for me to read a news article about a family that raised cash to pay for a medical expense when they did not have the money.

    But if this woman did not have the money then obvioiusly the insurer that denied her was medicaid - a gov program. And if she did have the money then where is the problem? Don't we all save our money all our lives so we can afford to buy the things we need in old age?

    The article said "as if" she had not other resort. did the author say "as if" because he knew she did have at least TWO other resorts - her own finances and medicaid/medicare.

    Again is anyone stupid enough to think that the nursing home was going to discharge him with a feeding tube still in his throat. Isn't it likely they were going to remove the tube and expect him to eat just like anyone else? isn't it obvous to all of us that if they did indeed release him with a feeding tube still in his throat that she would become wealthy beyond her dreams in the upcoming law suit?

    There are so many holes in the story I could drive a car through it. And if we had any other sources describing the details all would come to light.
     
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