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Islam and Extremism

Discussion in 'Education Policies' started by Iftikhar, Aug 23, 2016.

  1. Iftikhar

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    We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

    People are people, regardless of where they were born, what colour their skin is, or whatever religion. All deserve respect. Tolerance in Sweden/Britain is an illusion. The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to British culture, it's Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No. So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society.

    A vast majority of people in this world just want to live their lives with their families and friends, and don't give a hoot about what other people do, as long as they can go on with their families and friends. I find it almost impossible to believe that most Muslims want to kill people who don't share their views. The matter at hand is how to change the mind-set of people so a higher percentage does not turn to violence. One should not lump all individuals of any particular Faith in with the violent actions of a few misguided individuals who USE Religion to justify their violent actions. Every now and then a Muslim kills in the US and some people jump on ALL Muslims, as though WHITES, CHRISTIANS or otherwise, do not kill. They forget that non-Muslim killing far outnumbers Muslim killing in the US. They call for the expulsion of Muslims. The BEST SOLUTION would be for all FOREIGNERS to go back to their roots and return the country to the original AMERICAN NATIVES. Is this not a FAIR PROPOSAL? LOL! You white Christians have destroyed the Native Americans and it is only fair and right that YOU be destroyed by other communities.

    West must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different.In France Muslim girls are not allowed to cover their heads. This is called liberalism. During the time of Taliban in Afghanistan, women were forced to cover themselves and this is called extremism by the west. In Britain, Muslim women are allowed to cover themselves but there is an immense social, emotional and economic pressure, forcing them not to cover. West is the Mongols of our time. The new Mongols are far worse than the first one. This new Mongols are trying to destroy Islamic identity of the Muslim youths. A large number of them have changed their names and there is no shortage of ex-Muslims in the west. Ex-Muslim council receives state funding.

    Prejudice against Islam in the West developed due to historic rivalry of Christianity against Islam. The defeat of Christians by the Muslims in Crusades was a big shock for the Christian world. These deep wounds are still so fresh in the Christian world today that the parents, media, politicians and teachers feel it a duty to nurture the feelings of prejudice against Islam in the hearts and minds of their young generations. According to Runnymede Trust, Britain has become “an institutionally Islamophobic” society in which Muslims are demonised. Hostility towards Muslims is still a major problem and is not being taken seriously enough by race relations bodies. According to Dr. Richard Stone, there is now renewed talk of a clash of civilizations, a new global cold war, and mounting concern that the already fragile foothold gained by Muslim communities in Britain is threatened by ignorance and intolerance. According to John Gieve of the Home office, Islamic extremism might be a “symptom of disaffection”. The same disaffection previously surfaced during the riots that shook Oldham and Bradford in 2001.

    Jews and Christian scholars, the so called Western Orientals have always tried to mispresent Islam in their writings. They have always tried to spread baseless lies against Islam in a very authentic and scholarly style, hiding their deep rooted hatred against Islam. They have called all efforts to restore pure Islam in Muslim countries as “fundamentalist movements” against modern-day material progress and economic development. Lacy O’Leary in the book “Islam at the cross road”: “history makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.” Even Gandhi refuted the false propaganda, otherwise, one could not find even a single Hindu or non-Muslim in the Indian sub-continent and on top of that Sikhism could not dare to emerge as a religion. India would be the largest Muslim country in the world. In the 20th century new images emerged, the fanatical terrorist, the stone-thrower and the suicide bomber. According to Lord Carey, there was a deep-rooted Islamophobia in Britain. There is a worrying ignorance of Muslim people and suspicion of their presence in the United Kingdom. It is assumed by many that Muslims wish to take over ‘our country and if we allow them to enter Britain in significant numbers they will in time make the country Islamic’.

    Islam is Islam. It is neither moderate nor extreme. Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling. Masajid, Imams, Muslim schools and Madrassas are not teaching hatred against non-Muslims. They teach Muslim children that homosexuality is a sin. This does not mean that they are teaching hatred.

    West is all about FAKE freedom.. They FORCE others to follow their crap but if a Muslim says I want Sharia Law then every body loses their mind. They don't want us to impose our laws on them but they want to impose their laws on us. Height of HYPOCRISY!! Islam in hearts you can't ban Islam in hearts.

    Why is the NATO merrily slaughtering thousands of innocent people and children every week with these drones and not called to heel? Why is the mass scale of these daily atrocities and carnage never reported and just callously written off as collateral damage? This not a war on terrorism at all, and its more than blatant bullying. This actually IS terrorism. And the worst of it is that our government despite all the death and destruction, are happy to stain their hands with the blood of collateral damage too. Its all so horribly wrong!And this is what gives fuel to terrorists and the real reason they hate the west. Thousands of innocent children and women killed by these.

    A vast majority of people in this world just want to live their lives with their families and friends, and don't give a hoot about what other people do, as long as they can go on with their families and friends. I find it almost impossible to believe that most Muslims want to kill people who don't share their views. The matter at hand is how to change the mind-set of people so a higher percentage does not turn to violence. One should not lump all individuals of any particular Faith in with the violent actions of a few misguided individuals who USE Religion to justify their violent actions. Every now and then a Muslim kills in the US and some people jump on ALL Muslims, as though WHITES, CHRISTIANS or otherwise, do not kill. They forget that non-Muslim killing far outnumbers Muslim killing in the US. They call for the expulsion of Muslims. The BEST SOLUTION would be for all FOREIGNERS to go back to their roots and return the country to the original AMERICAN NATIVES. Is this not a FAIR PROPOSAL? LOL! You white Christians have destroyed the Native Americans and it is only fair and right that YOU be destroyed by other communities.

    Bernard Shaw once said that the future religion of the West would be Islam and only Islam. Islamophobia is guiding Westerners towards that end.

    They study with open mind the Holy Quran and Islamic literature and poetry. Islam is a force fighting Imperialism. Read the greatest book of revolution:

    The Holy Quran. Meet the greatest revolutionary of all times: Muhammad (peace be upon him). In America a great number of universities, colleges and schools are offering Islamic Studies courses. There is a possibility that in the near future half of native population would revert to Islam. In fact

    Islamophobia is a blessing in disguise.
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    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
     
  2. dogtowner

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    Hard to call the so called radical islam radical when all they are doing is what their scripture calls for.

    I dont doubt most individuals do just want to live their lives in peace trouble is this makes them bad muslims. This explains why they cannot cast the ones causing woe out.

    You have an unenviable position in that you are literally damned if you do and damned if you dont.
     
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    Has the author of this rant ever read the Koran? I have and it ain't purty. Mohammedans will never assimilate into an infidel society. They would rather slit throats than assimilate.
    I am a proud Islamaphobe and every thinking person in the Western World should be as Islamaphomic as myself.
     
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    The op guy is on a mission to get UK to pay for muslim kids to go to private muslim schools.
    I think it's safe to say he is familiar with that text.
     
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    Salafism is the political ideology of al-Qaeda to promote their cause rather than true Islam as they falsely claim. Sheikh Al-Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, announced that ISIS is the result of the Salafi version of Islam. There's nothing wrong with accredited Islamic schools in the UK but we need to ban Salafism in Europe.
     
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    Faith schools are a corner stone of the UK education system following the national curriculum for the benefit of ALL students, trouble is the person posting the OP is committed to state funded madrassas as per Dogs post above.
     
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    If as the op desires only Muslims can have any involvement in the schools he wants, there would be no means to monitor what takes place or how.
     
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    Neither is the Bible, and plenty of Christians attack Muslims for no reason. Here in the States so-called "White Supremacists", under the name of christianity, tell Muslims to leave this country, and go "homer" even if they were born here. Others bomb Mosques, or even kill the Muslim. Your "opinion" is, as usual, based on ignorance. Did you know that 90% of the tips that the FBI, etc., receive about "lone wolfs", or other possible terrorist attacks, comes from the Muslim community?

    Just think. If not for "christian" Bush 43 we would not have the problems we see today.

    http://reason.com/archives/2017/03/24/do-muslims-commit-most-us-terrorist-atta

    "Some non-Muslims did get intense coverage. Wade Michael Page, who killed six people in an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, generated 92 articles, or 3.8 percent of the dataset. Dylann Roof's murder of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, inspired 179 articles, or 7.4 percent. Robert Dear's slaying of three people at a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs led to 204 articles, or 8.5 percent. Still, "Controlling for target type, fatalities, and being arrested, attacks by Muslim perpetrators received, on average, 449% more coverage than other attacks."

    No doubt this greater media focus on Muslim perpetrators has badly skewed the public's—and Trump's—impressions about the sources of terrorist attacks in the U.S. On the other hand, the Georgia State researchers do not acknowledge an important difference between the purveyors of jihadist ideology and domestic racists like Page and Roof. ISIS and Al Qaeda are adroit publicists who have leveraged their relatively few attacks into successfully instilling a sense of terror into many Americans.

    The Georgia State researchers conclude: "By covering terrorist attacks by Muslims dramatically more than other incidents, media frame this type of event as more prevalent. Based on these findings, it is no wonder that Americans are so fearful of radical Islamic terrorism. Reality shows, however, that these fears are misplaced."

    Such fears are indeed misplaced. Your risk of being killed in a jihadist terror attack in the last 15 years amounted to roughly 1 in 2,640,000. Even if you stretch the period back to include 9/11, the risk would still just have been 1 in 110,000. Your lifetime risk of dying in a lightning strike is 1 in 161,000, and your chance of being killed in a motor vehicle crash is 1 in 114. Given that our government has already squandered more than $500 billion on homeland security, while encroaching on our liberties, it is vital that Americans keep the threat of terrorism in perspective. This new study is one small step in that direction.

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/09/christian-mobs-attack-muslims-in-central-african-republic/
     
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    Otie, have you ever read the Koran? I have and I reached the conclusion that Islam is a sick and twisted belief system in which women are not people but chattel and anyone that disagrees with you, no matter how slightly, should be killed.
    Islamaphobia is rational, supportable and makes perfect sense. What is irrational is providing cover for Islam.
     
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    Oh yeah....forgot to add.... what is it you say.....

    feel free bozo.... have the last word.....
     
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    Waggie, like everything else, all you have read is an online version of the Sutra, not the Quaran itself. For instance, in the Quran this verse is often misinterpreted to satisfy haters like you:

    Chapter 9, verse 5: And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

    In the version you read it says "infidels" not idolators.

    Then we have these verses: Chapter 8, verse 61: “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.”, or Chapter 2, verse 190: “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

    So, if you actually read the Quran, and I actually believe you are lying as usual, then you did not rad it in its entirety. But tell me Waggie, the Bible says to kill an adulterer. Trump has committed adultery at least three times. Should you not kill him?

    Islamophobia is a sickness equal to that of the terrorists desire to teach their perverted religion.
     
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    You can't find 30 that apply to America. But a fool like you would never know that:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/portland-oregon-white-terror_us_592ef9cbe4b09ec37c31055b

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/0...on-state-sikh-man-as-possible-hate-crime.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...lamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

    But this is the way your god feeds on your ignorance, and fear, to promote his own bigotry. Remember, Hitler was supported by only 11% of the people, and that is true of most dictators. And you are stupid enough to be in that 11%:

    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/6/15740628/trump-muslims-terror-twitter
     
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