ISLAM is EVIL !

[jb_1430]

Koran

2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

[4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[25.52] So do not follow the unbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it.

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

MARK

 

[Coyote]

Anyone can cherry pick quotes from a religious text and support some pretty monstrous things. The problem is - they are meaningless when you take them out of historical and cultural context and out of the context of the entire passages you snipped them from.

You'd be surprised at the nasty, brutal, murderous and intolerant material that can be cherrypicked from the Bible.

 

[Grounded]

Anyone can cherry pick quotes from a religious text and support some pretty monstrous things. The problem is - they are meaningless when you take them out of historical and cultural context and out of the context of the entire passages you snipped them from.

You'd be surprised at the nasty, brutal, murderous and intolerant material that can be cherrypicked from the Bible.

I agree with Coyote.

Quotes out of context can be used to support anything.

 

[9sublime]

jb 1430 do you really think you're clever by taking quotes like that out context, or ones that the average Muslim doesn't follow and ridicules as much as you stoning people or not wearing clothes of two different fibres as a Christian.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Violence_and_God.htm

there you go. Christianity evils, so all Christians are evil and obviously get actively involved in this kind of stuff. Bollocks. You're an idiot.

 

[jb_1430]

"That this might not be so easy was discovered by Jefferson and John
Adams when they went to call on Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador
Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money
and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary
of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws
of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations
who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it
was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be
found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and
that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to
Paradise."
http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/fr/rss/

MARK

 

[Coyote]

"That this might not be so easy was discovered by Jefferson and John
Adams when they went to call on Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador
Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They asked him by what right he extorted money
and took slaves in this way. As Jefferson later reported to Secretary
of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws
of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations
who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it
was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be
found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and
that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to
Paradise."
http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/fr/rss/



MARK

And your point is?

You do realize this was over 200 years ago?

 

[jb_1430]

This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine
attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men. This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth....
This explanation of the above verse by the Prophet-peace be on him - makes it clear that obedience to laws and judgments is a sort of worship, and anyone who does this is considered out of this religion. It is taking some men as lords over others, while this religion has come to annihilate such practices, and it declares that all the people of the earth should become free of servitude to anyone other than God....
According to the Islamic concept and in actuality, God's rule on earth can be established only through the Islamic system, as it is the only system ordained by God for all human beings, whether they be rulers or ruled, black or white, poor or rich, ignorant or learned....
Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to
God, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man's servitude to man.

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/milestones/hold/index_2.asp
Chapters 3,4,5

That was written in the 1950s
MARK

 

[jb_1430]

Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

Bin Laden 1998

MARK

 

[Coyote]

This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine
attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men. This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth....
This explanation of the above verse by the Prophet-peace be on him - makes it clear that obedience to laws and judgments is a sort of worship, and anyone who does this is considered out of this religion. It is taking some men as lords over others, while this religion has come to annihilate such practices, and it declares that all the people of the earth should become free of servitude to anyone other than God....
According to the Islamic concept and in actuality, God's rule on earth can be established only through the Islamic system, as it is the only system ordained by God for all human beings, whether they be rulers or ruled, black or white, poor or rich, ignorant or learned....
Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to
God, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man's servitude to man.

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/milestones/hold/index_2.asp
Chapters 3,4,5

That was written in the 1950s
MARK

Out of context quoting does not equal facts. Even if it's only 50 years ago rather than 200.

Or shall I find some really nasty Christian riffraff to post for comparison?

I still fail to see what your point is.

 

[Coyote]

Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

Bin Laden 1998

MARK

So, let me understand this correctly: you feel the words of extremists are representative of the mainstream of a relgion?

 

[jb_1430]

jb 1430 do you really think you're clever by taking quotes like that out context, or ones that the average Muslim doesn't follow and ridicules as much as you stoning people or not wearing clothes of two different fibres as a Christian.

The difference is that Christians are not stoning to death anybody. Muslims are. I am forced to live in the real world, not the theoretical. Ya IDIOT!! MARK

 

[ArmChair General]

The difference is that Christians are not stoning to death anybody. Muslims are. I am forced to live in the real world, not the theoretical. Ya IDIOT!! MARK

OH really?

I guess you never heard of the Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda, ran by a former alter boy.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm

Well I guess your right, i havent heard of them stoning people to death. Though these freinds of Jesus do take children as sex slaves, slice off womens breasts and basically murder and destroy all in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Multigraph]

All organized religion are evil!

 

[Coyote]

The difference is that Christians are not stoning to death anybody. Muslims are. I am forced to live in the real world, not the theoretical. Ya IDIOT!! MARK

There are Christians that want to stone people to death.

They would if they didn't happen to live under secular governments.

The problem isn't the religion per se - but the mixing of religion into government. (among a lot of other things)

 

[ArmChair General]

But without a doubt, groups like the LRA couldn't exist without the other, way scarier kind of Christian soldier: the missionary. If missionaries hadn't penetrated central africa, there'd be no "former altar boys" to work with, and the killing would be left to pagans, amateurs. The missionary is stage one of the Christian war plan. It's a good, simple plan and they've stuck to it for round about 2,000 years:

1. Send in the missionaries to **** with the locals. Tell 'em their Gods are wimps, their clothes are porn, their food is ****. Keep it up till somebody gets pissed off enough to grab an AK (or blowgun or warclub or wok) and martyrize a missionary or two. It helps if at least one of the shot-up missionaries is a nice plain white lady, preferably from the midwest.

2. Splatter this "atrocity" over every TV and newspaper on the planet, then send in the Rangers (as "advisors," of course) and wipe out every dirty pagan murderer in the place.

One dead missionary is worth a dozen live ones. You fax their picture around the parishes and everybody forks up more money in the name of the dear departed, now simmering in the bellies of the fuzzy-wuzzies.

You college types think that old-style missionary tearjerker story's finished. It's alive and well, lemme tell you. Take the two missionaries who got shot up in Mindanao a few years back, in the process of being "rescued" from this smalltime Muslim separatist group. I saw their pictures: classic horse-faced Kansas morons. (****, white people get ugly fast! They're cute when they're little, but damn, by the time they're 30!!) The husband got killed, but his bucktoothed fatassed hymnsinging wife was only grazed.

Goddamn Muslims! Learn to shoot straight, you jerkoffs! Is there a single goddamn Muslim on the planet who can handle a rifle, for Christ's sake?

Or Allah's, for that matter