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It turns out that it's possible to build a full size car that gets 200 mpg

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I did a search on this but nothing came up so this is probably the first thread on this subject here.


    Here's all the info I could find on the subject.

    Running Your Car on Gas Vapor - Stop Getting Screwed at The Pump


    https://www.google.es/webhp?sourcei...v=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cars+running+on+vaporized+gas+
    https://www.google.es/webhp?sourcei...UTF-8#q=cars+running+on+vaporized+gas+youtube

    http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/gasolinevapor.html
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    RUNNING ON VAPOR
    By Bruce Meland,
    Editor and Publisher of Electrifying Times

    It is an often a misconception that most vehicles burn gasoline vapors in their internal combustion engines. The fact of the matter is, gasoline powered vehicles burn finely divided particles or droplets that are sprayed from the carburetor or fuel injectors, into the engine cylinders.

    This is a very wasteful process of converting gasoline or diesel to energy. Maybe 20-30 % efficiency at most. It has been known and demonstrated for 60 or more years that burning gasoline vapors will give easily 5 times the mpg and near zero emissions. Actually if the vapors are heated to the necessary temperature of 450 degrees F, the gasoline vapors are actually fractionalized by catalytic cracking and converted to smaller light molecular hydrocarbons, methane and methanol. In my travels around the world I have been in contact with some very informed inventors, relatives or associates of inventors who have known of many high mileage low emission vapor carburetors. I am sure many of you have heard of the Pogue, Covey, and Fish high mileage carburetors.
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    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2011/09/200-mpg-pogue-carburetor/
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    Updated on Monday, May 24, 2010 in Technical Innovations
    the 200-mpg carburetor
    Pogue Carburetor
    Don Garlits, a drag racing legend, poses Aug. 2, 2002, with a 125-miles-per-gallon Pogue Carburetor at Don Garlits Museum of Drag Racing, Ocala, Florida.”
    photo by Bruce Ackerman, Star Banner, 2002
    In Dec. 12, 1936 Canadian Automotive Magazine states that the standard carburetor gets about 25 mpg at only 9% efficiency. Therefore the Pogue carburetor is 72% efficient overall at 200 mpg.
    “A carburetor that would allow a car to travel 200 miles on a gallon of gas caused oil stocks to crash when it was announced by its Canadian inventor Charles Nelson Pogue in the 1930s. But the carburetor was never produced in enough volume, and mysteriously, Pogue went overnight from impoverished inventor to the manager of a successful factory making oil filters for the motor industry. Ever since, suspicion has lingered that oil companies colluded to bury Pogue’s invention.”
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    http://www.blog.hasslberger.com/2007/04/pogue_carburetor_gasoline_vapo.html
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    There is a website and a CD that have 604 carburetor patents that have been assigned to various companies and never developed. There were 53 inventors who wouldn't sell out. Each of them had fatal "accidents" two to three weeks after refusing to sell their patent(s). I knew four of these inventors personally. The website is http://www.fuelvapors.com/.
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    https://www.google.es/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Pogue,+Covey,+and+Fish+high+mileage+carburetors


    If this turns out to be true, the word should be spread far and wide.
     
  2. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Heating gas to 450 ?
    Soounds like an accident waiting to happen. Natural gas seems like a safer alternative.
     
  3. Lagboltz

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    Very interesting. Sounds too good to be true. The Pogue carburetor was invented in the early 1930's, but today it seems it is only investigated by tinkers. I could only find hearsay on 100-200 mpg road tests. No supposed test was well documented.

    One of the comments on Hasslberger's blog may explain why car companies aren't interested.
    "Modern computer injection systems go exactly in the opposite direction, by injecting all droplets with almost no atomization. Because the volume of fuel vapor occupies 600 times the volume of liquid fuel, pre-vaporization of the fuel removes space for air intake, and reduces engine power (which is sometimes confusing, because it could lead to increased miles/gal, but at lower power level)."

    Car companies and many consumers are interested in power. Vaporization makes the combustion fast and hot which leads to high efficiency, but low power. You can get more gas (and therefore power) into the combustion chamber if the gas is injected in the more compressed liquid form (drops) than in the vapor form.

    X Prize Foundation, to "inspire a new generation of super-efficient vehicles," held a contest with a 10-million-dollar prize that was divided between the winners of three competitions. Use of vapor carburettors was not used by any of the winners. That seems to indicate that pre-vaporization is not all what it is said to be.
     
  4. Scott

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    The VW XL1 is as you say, but it doesn't use a gas vapor Pogue carburetor. The real reasons for not selling in the US are given in Snopes:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/xl1.asp
    "Volkswagen is only producing 200 units for retail sale, all of them to be sold in Europe via some sort of selection (i.e., lottery) process."
    "If Volkswagen wants to test-market their XL1 in limited quantities, there's no reason for them to expend millions of dollars preparing and certifying those vehicles for U.S. safety standards when they can vend their small lot of cars just as well in the European market without all the added expense."

    Maybe someday it will hit the US market if there is a demand.
     
  6. Scott

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