Just Another Reason That We Should Have Stayed Out of Iraq

He didnt withdraw them until Saddam had made it clear he would not end his interference. After the 15th or 16th time, it was reasonable to assume Saddam had no intention of permitting inspections without interference.

I would have a problem with inspectors interfering with my sovereignty.

If Iraq had no weapons and was not trying to obtain them, why did he interfere in inspections at all?
I didn't say he did, but he did need to make his neighbors believe that he either was trying, or had them. If they realized just how weak he was, we would not be talking about this.


Then why do you only direct your blame at Bush?

He lied, congress didn't do their job. I blame them all.

Ah, well then, you must be a patriot.
I do love my country
 
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I would have a problem with inspectors interfering with my sovereignty.

Then why agree to inspectors at all?

I didn't say he did, but he did need to make his neighbors believe that he either was trying, or had them. If they realized just how weak he was, we would not be talking about this.

We had no way of knowing for sure if that was his motive, or if he was actually covering up a weapons program. We were correct to assume the worst.

Me: Then why do you only direct your blame at Bush?

He lied

What did he lie about specifically? Can you give me a quote where he said something he knew was false?
 
Doubts, dissent stripped from public version of Iraq assessment
By Jonathan S. Landay
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.

The stark differences between the public version and the then top-secret version of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate raise new questions about the accuracy of the public case made for a war that's claimed the lives of more than 500 U.S. service members and thousands of Iraqis.

The two documents are replete with differences. For example, the public version declared that "most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program" and says "if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon within this decade."

But it fails to mention the dissenting view offered in the top-secret version by the State Department's intelligence arm, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, known as the INR.

That view said, in part, "The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons. Iraq may be doing so, but INR considers the available evidence inadequate to support such a judgment."

The alternative view further said "INR is unwilling to ... project a timeline for the completion of activities it does not now see happening."

Both versions were written by the National Intelligence Council, a board of senior analysts who report to CIA Director George Tenet and prepare reports on crucial national security issues. Stuart Cohen, a 30-year CIA veteran, was the NIC's acting chairman at the time.

The CIA didn't respond officially to requests to explain the differences in the two versions. But a senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, explained them by saying a more candid public version could have revealed U.S. intelligence-gathering methods.

Last week, Tenet defended the intelligence community's reporting on Iraq, telling an audience at Georgetown University that differences over Iraq's capabilities "were spelled out" in the October 2002 intelligence estimate.

But while top U.S. officials may have been told of differences among analysts, those disputes were kept from the American public in key areas, including whether Saddam was stockpiling biological and chemical weapons and whether he might dispatch poison-spraying robot aircraft to attack the United States.

Both documents have been available to the public for months. The CIA released the public version, titled "Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs," in October 2002, when the Bush administration was making its case for war. The White House declassified and released portions of the NIE's key findings in July 2003.

Knight Ridder compared the documents in light of Tenet's speech and continuing controversy over the intelligence that President Bush used to justify the invasion last April. There are currently seven separate official inquiries into the issue.

What that comparison showed is that while the top-secret version delivered to Bush, his top lieutenants and Congress was heavily qualified with caveats about some of its most important conclusions about Iraq's illicit weapons programs, those caveats were omitted from the public version.

The caveats included the phases "we judge that," "we assess that" and "we lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) programs."

These phrases, according to current and former intelligence officials, long have been used in intelligence reports to stress an absence of hard information and underscore that judgments are extrapolations or estimates.

Among the most striking differences between the versions were those over Iraq's development of small, unmanned aircraft, also known as unmanned aerial vehicles.

The public version said Iraq's UAVs "especially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents - could threaten Iraq's neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland."

The classified version showed there was major disagreement on the issue from the agency with the greatest expertise on such aircraft, the Air Force. The Air Force "does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents," it said. "The small size of Iraq's new UAV strongly suggests a primary role of reconnaissance, although CBW delivery is an inherent capability."

There was substantial difference between the public version of the estimate and the classified version on the issue of Iraq's biological weapons program.

The public version contained the alarming warning that Iraq was capable of quickly developing biological warfare agents that could be delivered by "bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives, including potentially against the US Homeland."

No such warning that Iraq's biological weapons could be delivered to United States appeared in the classified version.

In a section on chemical weapons, the top-secret findings said the intelligence community had "little specific information on Iraq's CW (chemical weapons) stockpile." That caveat was deleted from the public version.

The classified report went on to say that Iraq "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents - much of it added last year."

"Saddam probably has stocked a few hundred metric tons of CW agents," said the public report.

Deleted from the public version was a line in the classified report that cast doubt on whether Saddam was prepared to support terrorist attacks on the United States, a danger that Bush and his top aides raised repeatedly in making their case for war.

"Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington with a stronger case for making war," the top-secret report said.

Also missing from the public report were judgments that Iraq would attempt "clandestine attacks" on the United States only if an American invasion threatened the survival of Saddam's regime or "possibly for revenge."
 
I could go on all day.

You dont need to go on all day. You just need to post a single quote showing Bush deliberately lied about something. I dont understand why that is so difficult if it is so obvious.

Lets not forget that HE HAD COLLIN POWELL and OTHERS LIE FOR HIS SORRY ASS

1) Prove that they lied.

2) Prove that they lied because Bush told them to lie.

Your accusation isnt correct by default.
 
I just gave you a whole list.

I didnt ask for a whole list. I asked for a specific quote. You have not yet posted a specific quote, you have posted links to liberal propaganda.

Powell lied.

You technically havnt shown that either. But I didnt ask about Powell. I asked about Bush.

Bush lied about the yellow cake, he saw wilsons report.

Please post the quote where he you believe he lied about Yellowcake.
 
Michaelr said:
I wonder if you went over there and served,
if not than maybe you could support the war by doing just that.
I imagine that you have not and will not, but I bet you cannot
buy enough American flags from Wal-Mart that were made in China,
YEA SUPPORT THE TROOPS

Right On with the Right ons Michaelr. I enjoy reading all of your
posts, but I really enjoyed the one with the above quote in it.
That gets next to me too. Whenever someone signs on here
typing smack, and never have left their neighborhood.

People are always good at expressing their opinions about what
someone else should do, and all they do is sit back and read the
newspapers (America's big form of paragenda) watch the 6 o clock
news. Then they come on here like they just left Iraq or the Middle
East.

Our troops need to be home with their families and friends. I am
blessed to have my Son and Daughter (both) home after serving
two years in Iraq, and they both told me that what we see nightly
is completely different over there.

In closing, I can't understand why the American government only
tell what they want us to know, and after retiring from the Army
in 1974 with 3 years of Viet Nam liisted in my Army data GOD
really do need to bless America..America needs help.

Sadistic Savior remids me of another person on another website
who ask more questions then give answers. I feel that whenever
anyone is rejected from serving for the Country. The Salvation
Army needs soldiers. ROTFLMBAO

BRING OUR SONS & DAUGHTERS HOME.
 
Michaelr said:
I wonder if you went over there and served,
if not than maybe you could support the war by doing just that.
I imagine that you have not and will not, but I bet you cannot
buy enough American flags from Wal-Mart that were made in China,
YEA SUPPORT THE TROOPS

Right On with the Right ons Michaelr. I enjoy reading all of your
posts, but I really enjoyed the one with the above quote in it.
That gets next to me too. Whenever someone signs on here
typing smack, and never have left their neighborhood.

People are always good at expressing their opinions about what
someone else should do, and all they do is sit back and read the
newspapers (America's big form of paragenda) watch the 6 o clock
news. Then they come on here like they just left Iraq or the Middle
East.

Our troops need to be home with their families and friends. I am
blessed to have my Son and Daughter (both) home after serving
two years in Iraq, and they both told me that what we see nightly
is completely different over there.

In closing, I can't understand why the American government only
tell what they want us to know, and after retiring from the Army
in 1974 with 3 years of Viet Nam liisted in my Army data GOD
really do need to bless America..America needs help.

Sadistic Savior remids me of another person on another website
who ask more questions then give answers. I feel that whenever
anyone is rejected from serving for the Country. The Salvation
Army needs soldiers. ROTFLMBAO

BRING OUR SONS & DAUGHTERS HOME.

I got to say that your post showed allot of emotion. I am so happy that your children are home, may they never me made to kill or be killed. God Bless
 
Whenever someone signs on here typing smack, and never have left their neighborhood.

So if I had said that I was in the military, whether or not I really was, you would have accepted my argument. Is that what you're saying?

People are always good at expressing their opinions about what someone else should do, and all they do is sit back and read the
newspapers (America's big form of paragenda) watch the 6 o clock
news. Then they come on here like they just left Iraq or the Middle East.

My arguments would have the same merit whether I was in the military or not. You would not have accepted my arguments either way, even if I had claimed to be a veteran. Thats why credentials mean nothing on an anonymous forum.

Our troops need to be home with their families and friends.

They have a job to do and are doing it. America's military is 100% voluntary...not a single soldier was conscripted. Every single one joined the military by choice.

I doubt most soldiers in the Middle East could say the same.

In closing, I can't understand why the American government only tell what they want us to know,

Perhaps your son and daughter are only telling you what you want to hear. Either way, what leads you to believe their opinions are the same as the majority of the military?
 
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So if I had said that I was in the military, whether or not I really was, you would have accepted my argument. Is that what you're saying?



My arguments would have the same merit whether I was in the military or not. You would not have accepted my arguments either way, even if I had claimed to be a veteran. Thats why credentials mean nothing on an anonymous forum.



They have a job to do and are doing it. America's military is 100% voluntary...not a single soldier was conscripted. Every single one joined the military by choice.

I doubt most soldiers in the Middle East could say the same.



Perhaps your son and daughter are only telling you what you want to hear. Either way, what leads you to believe their opinions are the same as the majority of the military?

You can't tell me how My Son and My
Daughter felt after serving in Iraq. I hope that I do not have to
lower myself to your level. So until you serve somewhere..it can
be in the Girl Scouts Just go somewhere and be productive instaed
of shooting off at the mouth about things you know nothing about.
 
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