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Just Curious About A Few Things

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Nov 13, 2008.

  1. Greco

    Greco Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2008
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    The message board is full of doom and gloom predictions about the Obama administration. Getting past the fact that the frothy-mouthed posters are the same pack that's defended George W. Bush for eight years, the worst president in America's history, and their credibility is totally exhausted, there are a few things I'm curious about.

    1. Why do you object to ending the needless war in Iraq? Even the Iraqi government has said they want a specific date for us to leave?
    2. Why do you object to the middle class getting a tax cut?
    3. Why do you object to no tax breaks for companies shipping our jobs overseas?
    4. Why do you object to product safety regulations?
    5. Why do you object to food safety regulations?
    6. Why do you object to pharmaceutical safety regulations?
    7. Why do you object to allowing Americans to purchase health insurance from the same source as Congressmen and Senators?
    8. Why do you object to repairing our damaged international relationships with allies?
    9. Why do you object to not allowing lobbyists to write our national laws and policies?
    10. Why do you object to really going after Osama bin Laden and capturing or killing him?
    11. Why do you object to regulations to protect our personal finances from irresponsible acts and fraudulent accounting?
    12. Why do you object to having a highly intelligent president?
    13. Why do you object to not giving billions of dollars in tax breaks to big oil, the most profitably corporations on the planet?
    14. Why do you object to funding our neglected and crumbling infrastructure?
    15. Why do you object to having a public, not secret, national energy policy?

    Stay away from the vulgar language, and the campaign lies. Let's see if there are posters that can express a thought based on fact, not opinion. There are obviously many more points that can be added to the list, but let's start with these. These are all change items from the past eight years. Tell us where the doom and gloom is lurking in them.
  2. bododie

    bododie Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2008
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    Why do you assume that anyone has the sentiments that you have assigned to them?
  3. Greco

    Greco Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2008
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    It's not so difficult. All that required is to actually read the posts from the anti-Obama crowd. Glad I could clear that up for you.
  4. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

    Sep 4, 2007
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    You will find people are not opposed to ending it, they were opposed to ending it when it meant we left in shame and Iraq imploded.

    I do not object to this. What I object to is making upper class and business pay for that tax cut. I also object to the idea that Bush is an idiot for cutting taxes in wartime, when we are getting set up to do the same thing with a new party.

    Because in a global economy, business need to be able to compete the best that they can. A company sending jobs overseas can still pour money into the US economy.

    I do not.

    I do not.

    I do not.
    No one objects to this. People object to the avenue that is opened to do this. People object to government funded healthcare.

    No one objects to this either, but the strategic interests of the United States come before that of anyone else.

    Because I believe in what James Madison had to say on the role of factions in the government.

    Because in the process we drive Pakistan (a nuclear armed country) right to the verge of total collapse.

    I do not. It is called FDIC insurance. What I object to people thinking that money risked in the stock market is somehow a "sure thing" and the expectation that the government will ensure it is a sure thing.

    I do not. My vote for President is shaped by polices, not personal intelligence. There are always many very smart people on both sides on argument.

    Because the majority of the tax breaks are put in place to ensure research and funding in alternative fuels by the oil companies.

    Because it would cost trillions of dollars that we do not have right now.

    I do not. I object to the idea that we are unable to use our own resources domestically. I object to the notion that one energy source is the solution. The Republican energy plan called for an "all of the above" approach. It was quickly demonized as a plan that only called for drilling, but if you read the actual ideas they put out there it was nothing of the sort.

    All thought is matter of opinion. "Facts" will back up whatever you decide they back up.
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  5. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

    Apr 6, 2008
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    The people's republic of Eugene
    Great reply Rob, You said about everything I would want to say and you said it in a nice way :)

    Sometimes I wish I were so nice, I admire you!
  6. primerib

    primerib Well-Known Member

    Oct 14, 2008
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    Red State AZ
    I picked the ones important to me. I'm not going to write a book and besides some lib will come along and take a pot shot at me with a psychotic one liner bristling with 4 letter words. I was a lib, now an independent voting republican. For vets like me character and associations are numero uno. We don't know if Nobama is a natural born citizen. His associations and palling around with terrorists and radicals are not presidential. After serviing my country, I can't support that one, Nobama. I don't care about his policies because I can't trust him.

    To answer some of the questions:

    1. Iraq was a mistake and then in the beginning it was mis-handled. Petreus took over, we have victory in sight and we better be careful about the exit strategy.

    2. I don't agree with spreading the wealth or socialism. People don't want someone elses hard earned money. Bad for business and capitalism.

    7. If health insurance is nationalized, it will cost more for less. Deductibles and co-pays will rise and you will wait in a long line for health care that sucks. Fed gov can't do anything right. Look how they are handling the bailout. nuff said.

    12. Intelligent president elect, not intelligent to me. How do you measure intelligence? Because he went to Harvard? There are news anchors more intelligent than Nobama. The stuff that fell out of his mouth during the campaign was hillarious and stupid.

    15. Energy policy is most important. It has to be all of the above. Oil is a bridge to cleaner energy sources. NG is even better and we have an ocean of it underground. How could you be against nuclear power? The all green argument doesn't make sense. There needs to be a 10 year plan. It's also a national security issue. I don't get the lib argument on this?
  7. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher Well-Known Member

    Jan 9, 2008
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    Why don't you defend your SERIOUSLY damaged credibility by backing up your claim that he was the worst president in history? You Bots are REAL BIG on mental masturbation - tossing out absurd assertions that you don't have either the brains, facts, or cajones to back up.

    Prove that it's a "needless" war.

    The regime in power is looking to it's own temporary political advantage, but we are more concerned about the permanent survival of a democratic state. What part don't you get?

    NOBODY objects to that. They object to a $trillion in new taxes while near to recession, a move of such stupidity that most smart 12 year olds wouldn't do it.

    What the libs are really talking about there, but didn't tell you rank and file koolaid kids: the US government like most countries doesn't doubly tax the foreign operations of US companies, which must pay taxes in the foreign countries. To doubly tax them will put them at an immense disadvantage vis a vis their foreign competitors. Get it? :rolleyes:

    Why should the government do what people can do for themselves?

    The government is "REAL GOOD" at it - aren't they? Like when the nearly destroyed the tomato industry with a false alarm about tomatoes last summer?

    Why should the government do what people can do for themselves?

    Would that work on a vast scale? Noooooooooooo............

    Who knows what you're talking about?

    Why do you object to it?

    Why should we? Was our object in WWII killing Hitler? Nooooooo.......

    Why do democrats support government meddling in the market, the only most recent disaster that was caused by that being the current stock market crash?

    Why? Do you plan to nominate one at some point in time?

    Why were the tax breaks given - do you know? Why do democrats support tax breaks for all kinds of people - eg farmers?

    Why do you want to take billions of dollars out of the economy on the eve of a recession to finance such projects - don't you know that's beyond stupid? Are you aware keynsian economics has been discredited?

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