Karl Rove! COME ON DOWN!!!!!

[Mr. Shaman]

Let's see if your song-and-dance routine works with The DEMS' Dept. Of Justice!!!! ​

"The House Judiciary Committee chairman subpoenaed former White House adviser Karl Rove on Monday to testify about the Bush administration's firing of nine U.S. attorneys and its prosecution of a former Democratic governor.

The subpoena commanded Rove to appear on Feb. 2 for a deposition on the U.S. attorney firings and the prosecution of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, a Democrat.

Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey named a special prosecutor in September to investigate whether former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, other Bush administration officials or Republicans in Congress should face criminal charges in the firings of the U.S. attorneys."

 

[Sihouette]

And the sun breaks on the horizon, the herald of a long and scorching day for a procession of some. A beautiful warm bath of light for others...

I just love sunrises, don't you?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And the sun breaks on the horizon, the herald of a long and scorching day for a procession of some.

......A scorching day, especially for Porky Limbaugh!


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"He's tried to make it out to be a political point ever since, but mostly he sounds like a guy who's hurt he didn't get invited to the hot party."

 

[foggedinn]

Watched CNN about an hour ago as it was reported that KR is claiming executive privilege because Bush told him not to testify if he was subpoenaed after Bush was no longer president.

Normally I would think that this kind of claim would be considered ludicrous, however, with the current Supreme Court anything is possible.

 

[BigRob]

Watched CNN about an hour ago as it was reported that KR is claiming executive privilege because Bush told him not to testify if he was subpoenaed after Bush was no longer president.

Normally I would think that this kind of claim would be considered ludicrous, however, with the current Supreme Court anything is possible.

Executive privilege covers your time and actions in office. The fact that he is now out of office does not translate to actions taken while in office not being covered.

Anyway, Obama has all but stated he does not support going after Bush for anything... this is going nowhere.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Executive privilege covers your time and actions in office. The fact that he is now out of office does not translate to actions taken while in office not being covered.

Anyway, Obama has all but stated he does not support going after Bush for anything... this is going nowhere.

....And, that's why Porky's beggin' Obama (for help), huh....'cause it's going nowhere?​

"Karl Rove has until now enjoyed a long successful but shady career employing underhanded tricks to obfuscate the truth and win elections for Republicans. He has been so successful at dirty tricks that the term "Rovian" has entered into the national vernacular to denote underhanded tactics that border on criminal.

Rove is the mastermind behind the trumped up charges that convicted Alabama Governor Don Siegelman that sent the former Democratic governor to prison for nine months before an appeals judge ordered his release after finding troublesome evidence that the charges and the conviction were false.

Rove is being called to testify about his role in the conviction of Governor Siegelman and U.S. attorneys. It would seem that Rove's lawyer has learned a few tricks from his client in asking President Obama to intervene on his clients behalf."

"Now a Republican lawyer from Alabama, Jill Simpson, has come forward to claim that the Siegelman prosecution was part of a five-year secret campaign to ruin the governor. Simpson told 60 Minutes she did what’s called “opposition research” for the Republican party. She says during a meeting in 2001, Karl Rove, President Bush’s senior political advisor, asked her to try to catch Siegelman cheating on his wife.

"Karl Rove asked you to take pictures of Siegelman?" Pelley asks.

"Yes," Simpson replies.

"In a compromising, sexual position with one of his aides," Pelley clarifies.

"Yes, if I could," Simpson says.

She says she spied on Siegelman for months but saw nothing. Even though she was working as a Republican campaign operative, Simpson says she wanted to talk to 60 Minutes because Siegelman’s prison sentence bothers her conscience.

Simpson says she wasn’t surprised that Rove made this request. Asked why not, she tells Pelley, “I had had other requests for intelligence before.”

“From Karl Rove?” Pelley asks.

“Yes,” Simpson says."

 

[Bunz]

Executive privilege covers your time and actions in office. The fact that he is now out of office does not translate to actions taken while in office not being covered.

Anyway, Obama has all but stated he does not support going after Bush for anything... this is going nowhere.

The thing is, he still has to show up and answer all pertinent questions. He cant just claim a blanket immunity. He can claim that or even the 5th amendment to invididual questions, but having been subpeonaed myself through government affairs, someone such as a Presidential aide cant simply say I wont show up.
He is still normally bound by law, and again when he is testifying he can say something along the lines of, I cannot answer that question citing executive priviledge.

 

[BigRob]

The thing is, he still has to show up and answer all pertinent questions. He cant just claim a blanket immunity. He can claim that or even the 5th amendment to invididual questions, but having been subpeonaed myself through government affairs, someone such as a Presidential aide cant simply say I wont show up.
He is still normally bound by law, and again when he is testifying he can say something along the lines of, I cannot answer that question citing executive priviledge.

He doesn't really have to do that though. At best, Congress holds him in contempt of Congress. If they do that and then decide to actually take action on it (highly debatable) then it will go to the courts, where Rove would have to show up, but will be acquitted.

 

[Sihouette]

Obama has all but stated he does not support going after Bush for anything... this is going nowhere.

Heh...see..

The thing is, whereas Bush didn't see any lines of distinction of his fascist regime between the Executive branch and the Legislative branch..Obama is very aware and appreciative of the balances of power.

He was correct. He understands how the Constitution works. He is accurate in saying he won't go after Bushco. That's Congress' job And they're just getting warmed up with Rove.

I wonder what they'd do to you or me if they subpoened us and we just didn't bother to show up, smiled right in their face and went off the day of the hearing to go play slots at the casino or something?

I think we'd be getting fitted for a striped suit, ball and chain faster than you could say "boo". Let's see if anyone in Congress has the balls to rope in the wiley coyote, Karl Rove.

 

[BigRob]

The thing is, whereas Bush didn't see any lines of distinction of his fascist regime between the Executive branch and the Legislative branch..Obama is very aware and appreciative of the balances of power.

This debate has been going on since George Washington... you are welcome to mischaracterize at will however.

He was correct. He understands how the Constitution works. He is accurate in saying he won't go after Bushco. That's Congress' job And they're just getting warmed up with Rove.

I wonder what they'd do to you or me if they subpoened us and we just didn't bother to show up, smiled right in their face and went off the day of the hearing to go play slots at the casino or something?

I think we'd be getting fitted for a striped suit, ball and chain faster than you could say "boo". Let's see if anyone in Congress has the balls to rope in the wiley coyote, Karl Rove.

Maybe he does understand how the Constitution works, however it appears that you do not. Congress has no authority to put anyone in jail, or hold criminal proceedings for anyone. (The absolute most they can do is hold him in inherent contempt, which cannot extend punishment past their own session. This has not been used in decades)

If they hold Rove in contempt of Congress, which is highly doubtful, then it will be kicked to the US Attorney... an Executive appointment, under the authority of the President. Given this, yes, it does matter what Obama has to say on the matter, and he says let it go.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If they hold Rove in contempt of Congress, which is highly doubtful, then it will be kicked to the US Attorney... an Executive appointment, under the authority of the President. Given this, yes, it does matter what Obama has to say on the matter, and he says let it go.

Who knows....it might be something totally-innocent, on Rove's part.....like those weekendshttp://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-01-05/discussion.cgi.64.html, when The Idiot Son was down at the Crawford Hog-Farm.

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[Sihouette]

Congress has no authority to put anyone in jail, or hold criminal proceedings for anyone. (The absolute most they can do is hold him in inherent contempt, which cannot extend punishment past their own session. This has not been used in decades)

If they hold Rove in contempt of Congress, which is highly doubtful, then it will be kicked to the US Attorney... an Executive appointment, under the authority of the President. Given this, yes, it does matter what Obama has to say on the matter, and he says let it go.

Hey, retro is all the rage...haven't you heard? So does Bushco have some sort of blackmail over Obama's head? Failing that, I think his intentions are to do nothing else but make nice-nice where the world is concerned. And guess what the world is demanding of us? Prosecution of Bushco.

So it is possible that Obama truly has no personal intentions of his own to prosecute Bushco, but will nevertheless make an executive decision to do so based on the best strategic position to elevate our standing back in the world.

You see, Bushco has shot themselves in the foot with this one. Their illegal war for oil at taxpayers expense and devil-may-care deregulation tactics have collectively plunged this nation into a position of weakness in the world. In order to get our strength back we literally have to go begging now. The funny thing about begging from creditors is that they attach all these funny little riders and flaming hoops to jump through. One of those riders is going to be seeing the civil equivalent of Bushco's heads on platters. So, ironically, Bushco's very actions have set up conditions whereupon their prosecution is literally encumbant upon Obama to carry out. If faced with a choice between his loyalty to his gentleman's promise to Bushco. vs the critical and acute interest of our nation as a whole, I think I know Obama well enough to know which path he will choose to go down.

I don't make the rules...I just report them how they are. The stark reality is that it may not matter what Obama personally wishes to do. He has said many times he will always put his personal wishes aside for the best interest of the country.

 

[BigRob]

Hey, retro is all the rage...haven't you heard? So does Bushco have some sort of blackmail over Obama's head? Failing that, I think his intentions are to do nothing else but make nice-nice where the world is concerned. And guess what the world is demanding of us? Prosecution of Bushco.

Even if they bring this back, the absolute worst prison term they can impose is limited to the length of their session...

Obama would pardon Bush/Rove if this actually occurred.

So it is possible that Obama truly has no personal intentions of his own to prosecute Bushco, but will nevertheless make an executive decision to do so based on the best strategic position to elevate our standing back in the world.

This is ridiculous. You do not try someone (for which you have no solid case) because it might help your image in the world...

You see, Bushco has shot themselves in the foot with this one. Their illegal war for oil at taxpayers expense and devil-may-care deregulation tactics have collectively plunged this nation into a position of weakness in the world. In order to get our strength back we literally have to go begging now. The funny thing about begging from creditors is that they attach all these funny little riders and flaming hoops to jump through. One of those riders is going to be seeing the civil equivalent of Bushco's heads on platters. So, ironically, Bushco's very actions have set up conditions whereupon their prosecution is literally encumbant upon Obama to carry out. If faced with a choice between his loyalty to his gentleman's promise to Bushco. vs the critical and acute interest of our nation as a whole, I think I know Obama well enough to know which path he will choose to go down.

There is not going to be a trial... not only is there no case, but the again, the notion that we are going to be dictated to by the world for domestic matters is lunacy, regardless of who is President.

I don't make the rules...I just report them how they are. The stark reality is that it may not matter what Obama personally wishes to do. He has said many times he will always put his personal wishes aside for the best interest of the country.

Obama has mentioned it is in the best interest of the country to move on, not to sit around debating this.

Given that he has the final say-so, it matters a great deal what is opinion is, and he has said he has no interest in pursuing the matter.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Hey, retro is all the rage...haven't you heard? So does Bushco have some sort of blackmail over Obama's head?

Hell....Obama's holding all-four-Aces....and, the Republicans know it!

If Republicans refuse to work-with Obama, a simple Executive Order could return us to the days of PROSPERITY, once again.

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What Republicans Have Created​

"As more U.S. government debt is issued, there is an increasing demand for world capital to pay for these instruments. As the supply of these instruments increase, the interest rates paid by the U.S. government must increase to attract additional investors. As U.S. debt becomes more costly to carry, debt around the world also becomes more costly. This increase in worldwide interest rates causes it to be more expensive to operate businesses. This suppresses economic growth. It also causes companies to charge more for their products and services to pay for the more expensive debt. This causes inflation. The process is called crowding out."

 

[Sihouette]

This is ridiculous. You do not try someone (for which you have no solid case) because it might help your image in the world...~BigRob

There is a solid case. Moreover, every week I watch MSNBC, I see an interview of a new witness stepping forward with excruciatingly damning testimony against the Bushco regime. And Obama would'nt be trying someone to help his image in the world, it would be to assist our collective image as law-abiding, diplomatic and compassionate American's standing in the world...which has slipped...badly...and needs fixing....

And the world is calling, rightfully and solidly for the prosecution of Bushco.

Obama cannot turn a deaf ear to the world when every week new witnesses come forward that are starting to make him look like an accessory-after-the-fact for not ordering the prosecution.