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Large Hadron Collider

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by Pandora, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    I have been waiting for a long time for them to turn this on. They are trying to find the God particle. They want to re create what was here right after the big bang (assuming you believe that there was anything big that banged)



    Two Russian scientists think it will create black holes that will enable time travel. So many theories, all of them interesting to me.





    Does anyone have any thoughts about it?





    http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,24328608-5014239,00.html
     
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    The belief by some that black holes equate to time travel is only a hypothesis.

    I do personally think that if the collider does eventually supply concrete evidence that supports the Big Bang Theory, there will be a huge amount of turmoil and severe agitation amongst Theists.
     
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    Will take up to 5 years They were saying today it will take up to 5 years until the thing is ramped up to ramming speed.... that's when the real science starts getting done!

    Anyone taking Hawking's bet?
     
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    I dont believe in the big bang so I dont think the God particle does not exist.

    But I do think that interesting things will happen with this Collider.
     
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    The BBC has put together some useful information on this, which you'll find HERE.

    Regardless of how long Earth has actually been around, regardless of whether there was a random "big bang" creation or a controlled creation, regardless of whether this thing is going to serve any purpose or herald the end of life as we know it, one thing remains true: Over a given period of time, the past scientific intellectuals become viewed as quaint, out-dated, or down right primitive. While scientists today respect the great pioneers of the past, for the most part they still seem to view them as intellectually unsophisticated and inferior.

    That said, it will probably remain true the same will be said in the future. If one side isn't right and the Christian Last Day theorists are wrong. If another side isn't right and the Christian Last Day theorists are right. If both sides are wrong, and we just simply blow ourselves to Hell in a hand basket in some way, or a meteor sends us the way of the dinosaur, etc. Another 50 years, 100 years, 500 years will show our superior intelligence today sadly inadequate and pathetically naive.

    A great example of really smart guys getting together and deciding to do something really unprecedented gave us Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It also gave us the plague of the Asian Lady Bug Beetle, unleashed primarily by Jimmy Carter...;)
     
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    I've heard and seen reports of an estimated 4-7 year time frame to get to the actual particulate collision goal. It does make one wonder where we're heading with all this...

    As a Christian, I've always believed there are a few things that God simply will not allow us to do. One is actually creating life - not like cloning a sheep, but something requiring a soul that defines us in the image of God. Another is actually going far enough into space to colonize other planets.

    And one is that mankind will not be allowed to destroy the planet in any manner that will impede God's plans. I guess time will tell...
     
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    I think I would agree with that. I don't consider myself Chrisitan but I believe in all the same books a Christian does and then a few more :)

    I agree the only way we could blow ourselves up is if that was part of the original plan.


    I am interested in the second one you said about going far enough in to space to colonize other planets. Why do you think that? I dont disagree or agree I just never thought of that being an issue in devine things.
     
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    I certainly don't have all the answers, all the hows and whys. But I do know what I believe, and have found enough evidence to satisfy my own skepticism that we part of a (the) Creation Event. (My titling...)

    Holding the Biblical account in whole, that we are created in God's image, that we fell from full fellowship and allowed evil full access to this world, it follows as logic for me that a God beyond our scope of understanding in intelligence, wisdom and power would not allow us beyond the confines of our world which he has formed and/or modified to sustain us.

    An analogy would be, like the Biblical rendition, a leper colony. Leprosy is contagious, though not highly so. Lepers were confined to their colony, where they often freely lived and developed their own sub-culture. Aside from the often horrific aspects of their disease, they had a shadow of normal life. But they could not leave. They were not allowed to venture outside the colony due to the risk of contaminating the larger population.

    And the human race is analogous to the lepers, as sin is to the leprosy.
     
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    Ah that is interesting. Thank you for explaining.


    do you believe there is other life out there unlike ours? I think there is though I think they would have the same Creator we have, I dont guess they have the same history of sin and redemption or even being made in His image.
     
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    I hope this isn't taken wrong. While I believe that the Bible is the very Word of God, I do not believe that it has all the answers. It is the part of the story that God knows we need for a variety of reasons, but also doesn't give us all the answers, leaving plenty for us to wonder about and stretch our imaginations. Like this LHC. Like putting a man on the moon. Like exploring the depths of the ocean, and being able to read the movements of the earth, etc. So the imagination gets a chance to get involved on this issue.

    I believe it would be arrogant of us to assume that there is no other life out there, with the understanding we hold of time and space. As much imagination that man has shown through the ages, how much more could a mind have that is so far beyond our ability to comprehend? Again, the Bible says that we are unique in all creation. So I'd guess that in some sense we are incredibly special to God.

    Like us or not, fallen or in maintained fellowship, I just don't see any reason why God would allow contact.
     
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    I would agree we are a unique in all of creation.
     
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    ....funny you should say that, I read Hawkin's book "Brief History of Time" - or it could have been a Kip Thorn book!!??........anyway one of them was commenting on the theological angle that some mysteries will never be answered; such as what existed prior to the "Big Bang" etc.. Whilst there is science there has to be something which is just....well....unanswerable :)

    I'm not a believer in God but quite happily accept that science and faith can quite simply co-exist as sometines faith can point those that are willing to reason to abstract solutions that empirical science cannot answer. I suppose to some extent this LHC is unravelling more layers of the scientific onion but that onion is not going to give up its secrets to easily or to quickly, so there's still hope for faith.....as it were :D
     
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    I hope it takes longer than 4 years, it would be a little disturbing otherwise if one has read the various hypotheses regarding 'great change' in the future.

    Hate to be all gloom and doom, but the Mayan Calender ends in 2012, could this be a sign? ;)
     
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    Dang I want it yesterday. I am ready for something new. I am super excited about 2012 the collider and anything else that shakes stuff up.
     
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    Hackers attack Large Hadron Collider

    ...to be expected in this day and age I guess :rolleyes:
     
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