Making A Case For Bushco Prosecution

[Sihouette]

OK, we hear all the time about how americans are in danger at home and abroad from terrorist strikes, yes?

Now, what actions could the next administration do to make sure americans are safer at home and abroad?

Easy: prosecute those responsible for the illegal invasion(s) of the terrorist's home turf.

I G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E you that if we prosecute Bushco for war crimes and lying to Congress for an excuse to invade, we will so placate not just those angry at us, but our allies who are utterly disillusioned with us at this point.

In one simple stroke we could make the world totally safe for americans to be in again. (Well and maybe an Amendment to the Consitution saying that no one from Texas may ever hold the office of President again..)

Here's what the Obama administration laundry list should look like:

1. Start developing alternative energy on a massive scale, putting people to work and keeping the economy limping along. Mandate electric and hydrogen passenger cars. Begin building juicing stations for these cars nationwide..

2. Prosecute Bushco in front of the entire world. Make the world safe for Americans again.

3. Win back the world's respect and investor interests once foreigners see the US has regained its sanity and control of it's own house..Watch America grow back into a proud and thriving nation again.

4.(a) Dodge texan bullets from grassy knolls

4.(b) Bask in the glow of acheivement.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

OK, we hear all the time about how americans are in danger at home and abroad from terrorist strikes, yes?

"So, WHAT??!!!"​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E you that if we prosecute Bushco for war crimes and lying to Congress for an excuse to invade, we will so placate not just those angry at us, but our allies who are utterly disillusioned with us at this point.

Hell....even our "enemies" see the logic in busting him!!​

"Americans know that he has involved the U.S. in an unnecessary and misguided war in Iraq; he implicated the U.S. in the Guantanamo Bay torture scandal; he is the one who ruined the economic prosperity of the Clinton era and used up America’s budget surplus; he is the one who was in doubt when Katrina’s tsunami engulfed the helpless citizens in New Orleans; he is the one who went against the constitutional rights and freedoms of American citizens by passing new legislation such as the Patriot Act, allowing the unwarranted surveillance of American citizens; he is the one who has fostered the negative image of America onto the rest of the world; he is the one who allowed Dick Chaney to act like a wild boar and profit tremendously from an unjustified war."

Nevertheless, if there are moral repercussions in this world, Bush will not live the rest of his life in comfort because of the crimes he has committed."​

 

[BigRob]

OK, we hear all the time about how americans are in danger at home and abroad from terrorist strikes, yes?

Now, what actions could the next administration do to make sure americans are safer at home and abroad?

Easy: prosecute those responsible for the illegal invasion(s) of the terrorist's home turf.

I G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E you that if we prosecute Bushco for war crimes and lying to Congress for an excuse to invade, we will so placate not just those angry at us, but our allies who are utterly disillusioned with us at this point.

In one simple stroke we could make the world totally safe for americans to be in again. (Well and maybe an Amendment to the Consitution saying that no one from Texas may ever hold the office of President again..)

Here's what the Obama administration laundry list should look like:

1. Start developing alternative energy on a massive scale, putting people to work and keeping the economy limping along. Mandate electric and hydrogen passenger cars. Begin building juicing stations for these cars nationwide..

2. Prosecute Bushco in front of the entire world. Make the world safe for Americans again.

3. Win back the world's respect and investor interests once foreigners see the US has regained its sanity and control of it's own house..Watch America grow back into a proud and thriving nation again.

4.(a) Dodge texan bullets from grassy knolls

4.(b) Bask in the glow of acheivement.

No one is going to put Bush on trial. Get over it already. Obama will not do it, and it would be politically idiotic to even mention it. The world does not care if Bush has a trial or not.

Your logic is also ridiculous. Prosecute Bush and foreign investors will come back? Please. Foreign investment has hardly anything to do with who the President is, it depends on the economy.

Then in all of your "inclusive" rhetoric you comment that no one from Texas should ever be President again. I suppose you only want to "include" like-minded people in your campaign of lunacy?

 

[Pandora]

It seems to me that the obama worshiping population should be happy enough with the messiah that they would be content. But happy people don’t spend their time living in the past and trying to find a way to do as much damage to people who they don’t like but also no longer matter.

I think obama followers are not as happy as they pretend they are or they wouldn’t spend their time trying to bash Palin, Bush and the rest.

Now bashing Rush or Hannity is understandable, they both bad mouth their messiah, but Palin doesn’t talk about him neither does Bush. Actually Bush has been more than kind to him and his family and yet these obama worshiping people still have it hard for him.

I think the followers should spend more time fawning over their messiah and less time worrying about people who are out of the picture and those who will be out of the picture within days.

 

[Sihouette]

You're forgetting that prosecuting them would make the world safer for Americans. Seeing that we can keep our own aggressors in line and accountable will ease tensions worldwide and open arms to americans.

Prosecuting them is actually a national-security must.

 

[Pandora]

You're forgetting that prosecuting them would make the world safer for Americans. Seeing that we can keep our own aggressors in line and accountable will ease tensions worldwide and open arms to americans.

Prosecuting them is actually a national-security must.

That is just so silly, There have been no attacks because of the things Bush and Co has done. Once that pathetic excuse for a messiah takes charge we will be back in danger again more so than anytime before. When, not if we are attacked again obama worshiping droolers will find a way to blame Bush in their tiny little minds...

 

[foggedinn]

Of the people, by the people, for the people...; that's the problem with democracy, we're all responsible for whatever our govt. does.

It's not our place to even accuse Bush & Co, regardless of what he has done.

 

[Sihouette]

Even if he has illegally acted, lied to Congress and tortured prisoners.

Nothing eh?

Bullocks. We would instantly be safer as a nation if they were prosecuted. We required it of Germany and now we must do the same in good faith.

An atrocity is an atrocity.

 

[foggedinn]

Even if he has illegally acted, lied to Congress and tortured prisoners.

Nothing eh?

Bullocks. We would instantly be safer as a nation if they were prosecuted. We required it of Germany and now we must do the same in good faith.

An atrocity is an atrocity.

I'm just saying that it isn't our place to prosecute. Neither Germany nor Japan prosecuted their own leaders. Neither should we.

 

[Sihouette]

Times are different my friend. For one thing, I think a case can be made that they are also guilty of High Treason...that is OUR area of jurisdiction. Plus, we must show the world that we are absolutely serious about making amends ourselves..and not just leaving it up to other nations to deal with.

Our safety is at stake, and like I said, it would be virtually guaranteed if we did the right thing and fleeced the thugs that everyone is mad at.

To harbor them as fugitives when other nations find them guilty would be the ULTIMATE embarassment and threat to our safety abroad.

There is no other choice. The matter is simple. A handful of men go to jail so that an entire nation can breath easily and go abroad without worry.

Easy compromise to make. Takes no thought at all..

 

[pocketfullofshells]

OK, we hear all the time about how americans are in danger at home and abroad from terrorist strikes, yes?

Now, what actions could the next administration do to make sure americans are safer at home and abroad?

Easy: prosecute those responsible for the illegal invasion(s) of the terrorist's home turf.

I G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E you that if we prosecute Bushco for war crimes and lying to Congress for an excuse to invade, we will so placate not just those angry at us, but our allies who are utterly disillusioned with us at this point.

In one simple stroke we could make the world totally safe for americans to be in again. (Well and maybe an Amendment to the Consitution saying that no one from Texas may ever hold the office of President again..)

Here's what the Obama administration laundry list should look like:

1. Start developing alternative energy on a massive scale, putting people to work and keeping the economy limping along. Mandate electric and hydrogen passenger cars. Begin building juicing stations for these cars nationwide..

2. Prosecute Bushco in front of the entire world. Make the world safe for Americans again.

3. Win back the world's respect and investor interests once foreigners see the US has regained its sanity and control of it's own house..Watch America grow back into a proud and thriving nation again.

4.(a) Dodge texan bullets from grassy knolls

4.(b) Bask in the glow of acheivement.

This is all based on the idea that those who are attempting terrorist attacks on the US, are in fact all Rational and can be appeased by political action that we could in fact take. This of course is wrong and foolish. In order to appease there desire to attack us, we would basically have to allow them to have there own purely fundamentalist Islamic states where Shia have no rights ( as most of these groups are Sunni and would just assume kill off all shia as well as Americans) Woman have no rights, and there is no freedom to decided your own leaders, aka Democracy. You can appease the moderates maybe, or those friendly to the west, but those who wish to kill us can not be bought with token court cases against Bush co, while ignore the major issues that effect the middle east and are the real true roots of the conflict.

those Roots...Lack of non Religious education
Unemployment
National leaders who are don't listen to there own people and are not held to account to them, and are more tied to Western money then needs of the majority of there own people
the Palestine conflict.
Freedom of Religion

those are true core ideas that need be addressed to stop terror...Courts for Bush would do zero, pure zero to stop the fighting.

 

[BigRob]

Even if he has illegally acted, lied to Congress and tortured prisoners.

Nothing eh?

Bullocks. We would instantly be safer as a nation if they were prosecuted. We required it of Germany and now we must do the same in good faith.

An atrocity is an atrocity.

He did not break any laws. What law did he break?

 

[Sihouette]

Well there's this:

Most American media have focused on the allegations from the Downing Street memo that the Bush administration was going to "fix" the intelligence in order to justify the war against Iraq. Now the reporter who broke the original story says they have missed a more substantial allegation to arise from the same set of leaked documents.

Michael Smith, defense writer for the Sunday Times of London wrote this past Sunday that "The American general who commanded allied air forces during the Iraq war appears to have admitted in a briefing to American and British officers that coalition aircraft waged a secret air war against Iraq from the middle of 2002, nine months before the invasion began." (This bombing capaign is referred to in the Downing Street memo.)

Addressing a briefing on lessons learned from the Iraq war Lieutenant-General Michael Moseley said that in 2002 and early 2003 allied aircraft flew 21,736 sorties, dropping more than 600 bombs on 391 "carefully selected targets" before the war officially started. The nine months of allied raids "laid the foundations" for the allied victory, Moseley said. They ensured that allied forces did not have to start the war with a protracted bombardment of Iraqi positions.
If those raids exceeded the need to maintain security in the no-fly zones of southern and northern Iraq, they would leave President George W. Bush and Tony Blair vulnerable to allegations that they had acted illegally.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050630-secret-campaign.htm

And this:

In its latest issue, Vanity Fair reports that the White House tried to organize the armed overthrow of the Hamas-led goverment after Hamas swept Palestinian elections two years ago. According to the article, the Bush administration lied to Congress and boosted military support for rival Palestinian faction Fatah in the aim of provoking a Palestinian civil war they thought Hamas would lose.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/5/iran_contra_20_how_the_bush

And the war crimes at Gitmo.

A trial starts with substantial allegations, followed by investigations and findings (discovery), then the prosecution starts and the facts of the case are heard and run by a judge or a panel or jury.

I say they get as fair of a trial as they allowed prisoners of Gitmo to have.

America is all about equality!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

He did not break any laws. What law did he break?

"When The New York Times revealed that President George Bush had authorized warrantless surveillance of Americans, the Bush administration reacted in its usual manner: attack and then stage a public-relations campaign.

As to the legality, that's plain. What the president did was illegal. Some act does not become legal just because some hired lawyers say it is. The act must be measured against both the law and the Constitution; Bush's act was illegal and unconstitutional.

Some years ago, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It sets up a special court that can issue warrants authorizing surveillance of Americans. This court has routinely issued the warrants and even gives the government 72 hours in which it can get a warrant after the fact. In other words, if what Bush says about only surveilling people with known ties to terrorists is true, then he would have had no problem getting the warrants.

Gen. Michael Hayden, now deputy director of national intelligence and former director of the National Security Agency, was trotted out before the press to justify this and, frankly, made a fool of himself. When someone raised the issue of probable cause, the general petulantly denied that the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution requires probable cause. Then he said that the standard is reasonable, and added that nobody was more familiar with the Fourth Amendment than the NSA.

Well, he's dead, flat wrong.

Here's the text of the Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What the Bush administration is saying is, to hell with the Bill of Rights. We are changing the standard. No probable cause and no oaths or affirmations are needed. All that is needed is if we personally decide that search and seizure is reasonable. By that standard, no police department in the U.S. would need to bother with search warrants."​

Do you take medication for your masochistic-tendencies?

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