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McCain plagiarized cross in the sand story

Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by Popeye, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. Popeye

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    Over the last couple days there has been a lot of evidence accumulating that McCain stole his cross in the sand story from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's book..."The Gulag Archipelago." Lets take a look at some of it:

    For starters, as we all know there's precedent for McCain distorting his history as a POW and for plagiarizing material.

    1. During a recent visit to Pittsburgh, he retold a POW story involving what he said was his favorite football team, but changed the Packers in favor of the hometown favorite Steelers.
    2. In a recent speech on Georgia, McCain plagiarized at least three passages from Wikipedia's history of the country.

    As for the story itself, the details of McCain's version of Solzhenitsyn's "Cross in the Dirt" story don't add up. Specifically:

    1. McCain's story is nearly identical to the story told by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn.
    2. In McCain's version of the story, a guard who had befriended him later drew the cross in the ground.
    3. According to McCain's 1973 retelling of his experience, there was only one guard who he considered human, and that guard befriended him in 1969.
    4. This means that McCain's Christmas story would have taken place in 1969.
    5. Between when he met that guard and Christmas of 1969, McCain changed prisons. Unless the guard followed him to the new prison, McCain's story is not true.

    There is also other evidence raising doubts about McCain's story:

    1. In McCain's early stories about his POW years, he made no mention of the story.
    2. At a 1974 prayer breakfast arranged by Ronald Reagan, McCain did not tell the Solzhenitsyn story. He told a completely different one about a prisoner scratching a prayer into a wall.
    3.There is no evidence McCain ever told this story before 1999.
    4.McCain is a huge fan of Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

    McCain thinks nothing of lifting other people's material and claiming it as his own. He has been caught in several lies...how many more are out there?

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/15300/5629/128/569386

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/122230/161/239/569299
     
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    For those of you preferring video, here is more on McCain's lie on Saturday night. Told in church no less.



     
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    HAR HAR HAR! Souce? dailykos :) Credibility? Zero. :D Another slur du jour bites the dust.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    as always a mind blowing retort of great skill and showing clearly that the post was not correct with overwhelming evidence...thank you for your wisdom we all learned a lot from you on this day.
     
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    Andrew Sullivan has now picked up on cross in the sandgate otherwise known as McCain lying in church.

     
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    Laugh all you want, McCain is still nothing but a liar.
     
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    Um I think you might look up the definition of the word plagiarize. The other sources I have seen repeat that the story is stolen have also said that it is the "exact same story" as solzhenitsyn's. Yet the differences seem to be greater than the similarities.

    In solzhenitsyn's story it is a fellow prisoner who draws the cross and the lesson learned is that one does not fight against insurmountable evil alone but there is a greater force - Christianity.

    In McCain's it is a soldier who draws a cross and the lesson learned is that two people on opposing sides can transcend their differences with a shared faith.

    I wonder how many people have ever drawn a cross in the sand. Recently President Clinton made a cross in the sand. Is it impossible to believe that solzhenitsyn's character and president Clinton and the Viet Nam soldier and others could have have all drawn crosses in the sand? For all we know the solder and P. Clinton both made their crosses because they both read solzhenitsyn.
     
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    You want overwhelming evidence in a rebuttal of something that is PURE FICTION from a defamation site?? :D

    OK, lemme try. :) You have a well-known record as a child molester.

    Now rebut that with "overwhelming evidence". :p
     
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    DR Who did it, made points that where valid and worth looking at...you mad ass of yourself and showed again you have nothing to add to anything of value on any subject. Well Played..


    And DR Who, good post ...teach Lib how to post like that some time.
     
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    I heard this on the radio yesterday as well.

    There's also the complaint that McSame wasn't in the building in a room without access to the debate questions being asked Senator Obama. McSame walked into the building just before going on stage. Very easily could have been listening to or been having someone phone him the questions being asked. It was being both televized and on the local radio I understand.
     
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    warren said that he asked and could only take them at his word but could confirm, but that he trusted him to have not.
     
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    I heard that too but you'd hope they'd have had better rules set up. I mean either side being outside of the controlled area while the questions were being asked was down right stupid.

    Think there was a lesson learned here either way.
     
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    that preachers should stay out of politics if they dont know what they are doing?
     
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    McCain was in the building late, but well before he went on stage. Added to that, he was flanked by his staff as well as secret service agents who would have confirmed that McCain heard the questions if he actually did, the only problem is that he did not.
     
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    1 His staff would lie if hey did I am sure, if they knew McCain already said he did not ...or just thinking that they should.

    2. Secret Service would be in major breach of its duty and put McCains life at risk if they talked. They would not say a word....
     
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