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More conservative ideas from the Obama camp.

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Andy, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    oooooooooooooooooooooooooo......how "bold" of you....being soooooooo critical of something that hasn't (even) happened. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Andy

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    Does it matter?

    Here you guys have been complaining about tax cuts and deficit spending, during a time of war.

    Now Overspend Obama, is proposing exactly that which you complained about. I love it! :D
     
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    ......And, the Bush Admin (finally) caved to Obama's insistance we needed to commit to a withdrawl-date, and things are finally winding-down, in Iraq.

    What's your point? :confused:
     
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    Cuting taxes during war time BEFORE the Bush recession was the problem you tool.

    Now those Republican policies have us so far in the ditch we have to take drastic measures. And least we forget in 15 days the plans will be coming to the table about removing ourselves away from Bush's Iraq War of lies at a quick pace.
     
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    Only to move them to Afghanistan! So I'll say it again!

    How many leftists here complained about cutting taxes, and deficit spending, during a time of war? How do you like Obama now?!? Tax cuts for the rich? Cutting taxes for evil corporations? Deficit spending?! During a time of WAR?!?!? :D I love this!
     
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    Back to the republicans are we??? LOL

    Cutting taxes during a time of war, BEFORE the recession was a problem? You are right! It happened before the recession. It happened after Clintons recession of 2001! Look it up! So what's your point again?

    Obama is doing EXACTLY what you complained about Bush doing! Tax cuts to the rich, tax cuts for businesses, deficit spending, and during a time of war! Of this is GREAT! LOL! :D
     
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    you mean the same taxes he talked about all threw the election, but the right called socialism and crap? And no I am not sure I agree with them, as with the bail outs , Iraq, and alreayd huge debt I dont know how much more debt we can pay for.
     
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    Isn't it funny how quickly the left deflects the issue? You talk about having a reasonable debate of issues, but when one brings up those issues, you instantly attack them for unrelated claims about past discussions.

    I can only speak for myself, and the posts I've read here. I have not, nor have I ever read a claim, that tax cuts were socialist. In fact, logically it's impossible for a tax cut (allowing the people who rightfully earned the money, to keep it) to be 'socialist' (under the control of a government).

    The claims about Obama being socialist, had to do with socialist policies. This is not a socialist policy.

    Question for you:
    Is it possible for a politician to be in favor of more regulations, more government control, more government programs, more nationalized corporations, more bailouts and so on, and at the same time pass a tax cut?

    I suggest the answer is yes. Does that make the tax cut socialist? No. Does that make the control, regulations, and government take-overs, capitalist? No.

    So is it possible for someone (like me) to accuse him of being socialist on a dozen or so issues, and at the same time, praise a capitalist tax cut? Yes.

    But none of that was the main point. The main point was the left-ist idiots on this forum screaming and wailing about how Bush passed a tax cut, in a time of war, while increasing deficit spending. Now Obama's openly stated plan is to do the exact same thing. Will those of the democrat party stay true to their convictions and attack Obama for his policy, that they prior hated?

    Or will they be the typical hypocrits they have always been for the past 15 years I've been paying attention to politics, and come up with lame excuses about how someone somewhere said Obama was a socialist, as if it mattered?

    I think this thread proves my point.
     
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    Obama isn't as far left as either his detractors or his supporters thought before the election.

    Great!

    Maybe he will turn out to be a pragmatist rather than an ideologue.

    Maybe he will turn out to be a leader.

    Maybe he isn't the Anti Christ, a Muslim Terrorist, a Marxist, or the savior of the nation.

    Maybe he is just another politician. Let's hope he is an astute and pragmatic one, and one able to motivate and persuade people. Let's hope he makes fewer poor decisions than the past president.

    Wasn't hope one of the mantras of the Obama supporters?
     
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    No he's just playing to the center. It's been suggested since he was first named President Elect that his first term would probably have to be conservative to ensure a second term in the bag (( which then deploys his evil leftist social agenda MUHAHAHA ))... that.. or he's starting to realize you just can't push a big goverment, socialist agenda given the state of the world without serious consquences.

    With that being said.. watch for his Wind-fall profit tax to get push to the side as proof! Obama is becoming a MODERATE CONSERVATIVE!!
     
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    If the recession ends in three years or less, and if the US finds a way to extricate itself from the Middle East without that area descending into chaos and civil war, then Obama will be reelected in a landslide in '12, regardless of whether or not his policies achieved peace and prosperity.

    If that happens, then the Republican Party is toast.

    If it doesn't, then the Democrats are likely to become toast.

    If the either Party becomes toast, then one of two things will happen:

    1. The US will become a one party nation, and, with no real dialogue over national issues, fall once again into economic despair and war, or

    2. A new party will emerge to take the place of the toast.

    At least, those are my predictions. What are yours?
     
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    1. Mayan prophescy comes to pass on Dec 21 2012 11:11pm ?!?! WW3 and the eradication of known human civilization.
    2. Christian prophescy comes to pass and Obama becomes the anti-christ after cooing the world into a false peace.
    3. Obama contiues record spending which causes massive inflation at the end of 2009 all thru 2010.. enter the 2nd great depression.. Americans regain critical thinking and humanistic reasoning .. Calico rises to power and becomes a dominating politic force which unites the world into nirvana (( LMAO ))
    fanciful thinking.. yet... based in actual reality as it can be seen today.
    However i still see it as Obama failing with a socialist view in attempting to fix the current American (( never mind world )) problems... Which is why he will have to move more to the center to fix these issues.

    It is however funny that both our predictions regardless of their view still end with NWO , more or less LMAO!
     
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    Well the Republican were in FULL AND TOTAL CONTROL as this train wreck was steadily building so yes... Republicans can't be trusted with our economy. As a fact historically Republicans a worse stewards of our economy.

    Clinton ran a GREAT economy... anybody with half a brain that was around at the time and also has any current events knowledge at all given the choice between ANY YEAR of the Clinton economy and THE BUSH/REPUBLICAN TODAY ECONOMY... picks Clinton's without even batting an eye!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think the goal of our new President is definitely to get us back there. He has a lot of the old Clinton team onboard to help him. President Obama is more impressive every single day... and he hasn't even been sworn in yet!
     
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    first what did I "Deflect"? I pointed out that this tax cut is the same tax cut he talked about for a year, and now all the sudden your calling it conservative, after all the cries about him being a socialist. And you now act like its some new idea.

    2nd I stated I don't know if I agree with a tax cut right now, it depends on if its a short term one, or its a long term one, and also how the bill addresses spending to make up for it. But He is not in office yet, and there is no Bill so I cant say yes or no .

    I don't think with the debt we have right now, long term tax cuts are a good idea, as we need to pay down this debt ...thanks in large part to Bush. But fact is the econ is Horrible and needs something to get it going because at its current pace we are taking in even less taxes due to the poor econ while spending is going up still. something needs to spark growth, but also we need to cut spending. getting out of Iraq is a good place to start on cutting some costs, and maybe a tax cut can spark something, though personally I doubt any tax cut we can do , will be large enough to make much of a dent in this econ. Personally those one time checks Bush put out would help me the most, but only due to the fact I am a commission salesperson in a area where the average sale is 1000 or more, so those would spark my company, and thus my paycheck...But I also know most of those just went to CC debt and did not help thing long term.

    And as for Bush cutting taxes while in a state of war...Bush tax cuts went during the major fighting of the war in Iraq, with Afganistan still going as well...These go with Iraq comeing to a end one way or another, and afganistan while heating up again, being a far less costly war. But also Bush did not have a econ that was this bad, he had not screwed up enough yet, and did not need tax cuts...now its to the point where we may have to cut them just to get the econ on any type of a track.

    Also I did not support hte bail out of the banks, and am weary of the auto bail out as well. I dont support Obama or Bush on those issues.
     
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