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"Mostly made up" Phil Jones UEA

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by dogtowner, Jul 21, 2016.

  1. dogtowner

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    Of course they are....the level of fraud...and the extent to which people believe it never ceases to amaze me...and I often wonder...do they believe because of their political leanings or are they really just that scientifically illiterate?

    Here is a map showing the actual instrumental coverage over the surface of the earth

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    And here is what they produce for public consumption which the press breathlessly publishes with apocalyptic headings declaring that it is the hottest evah....

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    'Isn't it interesting that the hottest places on earth seem to be the places where actual coverage is the most space? And I find it damned interesting that most of the reporting agencies have taken to simply leaving out the temperatures south of 37 degrees S because to do so would lower the global average enough to end their claims of warming global temperatures and completely foul up the narrative.
     
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    Yeah not really news but it matters that it's admitted by the main spokesman.
     
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    And your march towards abject and worshipful ignorance goes on. The fact is that climate science is just making it up as they go....this isn't anything new, or secret...it is one of the most blatant cases of government sponsored fraud in modern history and you just lap it up and continue to believe. Here is another example of what is really going on in climate science.

    And when confronted with an admission of fraud straight from the horse's mouth so to speak...what do you do? Why you ask the government agency that is promoting the fraud as if it were real science if the data is reliable?....and when they say...why sure it is....you believe them and repeat to others how honest and trustworthy government agencies are...how much more of a worshipful acolyte could you possibly be?

    Your link says that NOAA's study finds that NOAA's data is reliable....are you serious?
     
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    NOAA is the only group left trying to sell the snake oil. Onlu one left the administration controls.
     
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    And your article relies on another study done in 19756, almost 40 years ago:

    TimesMachine: January 5, 1978 – NYTimes.com

    And which NOAA says it has expanded to include more territory.
     
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    Do you ever even make an attempt to actually comprehend anything that you see?...

    Look at the date at the bottom of the graphic on the left side...it indicates the date the material was published...July 13, 2016....13 days ago...not 40 years...the fact is that there was more coverage 40 years ago, and less infilling than there is today...a large number of temperature monitoring stations, primarily in rural areas where we get a more accurate picture of the temperature have been closed....permanantly...in favor of stations more affected by the urban heat island effect.
     
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    Unlike you I actually read the article you post. My bad. The first "conclusion" your author reaches is based on information from 1976. If you had actually read the article I posted you would have seen that certain changes in technology makes the need for some ground stations unnecessary. Of course, you know everything about everything, so why even try to think you would not be better "informed" then every other "scientist" in the world. All one has to do is ask you:


    "Q2: What raw data are available for global temperature monitoring?
    The number of land surface weather stations in the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) drops off in recent years. This fact is an indication of our success in adding historical data. Every month data from over 1,200 stations from around the world are added to GHCN as a result of monthly reports transmitted over the Global Telecommunication System. This number is up from what it was a decade ago due to systematic efforts by the Global Climate Observing System (GCOS) and others to encourage countries to send in CLIMAT reports. If NCEI relied solely on such data that would be the maximum number of stations available. But we have systematically sought to increase the data holdings in the past through international projects such as the once a decade creation of World Weather Records as well as NCEI's own digitization of select Colonial Era archive data. The creation of the GCOS Surface Network is one example of a specific attempt to both enhance data exchange around the world and to identify and select the 'best' stations for long-term climate change purposes. The weighting scheme used to rate stations for the initial selection in the GSN clearly indicates the biases climatologists have in favor of stations that have been in operation for a long time, that are rural, are agricultural research sites, and are distributed throughout the world with increasing density the farther they are away from the tropics. The result of all these efforts is that GHCN has data for many thousands of stations in the period from the 1950s to the 1990s that cannot be routinely updated, thus the number of stations drops considerably in recent years.

    Because 71 percent of the world is covered by oceans, NCEI also has a strong focus on collection of observations over the world's oceans. The global ocean temperature analysis is primarily based on buoy and ship observations from the International Comprehensive Ocean Atmosphere Dataset (ICOADS), while monthly data updates come from the Global Telecommunications System (GTS). NCEI is active in a continuing multi-decadal effort to digitize historical ocean observations that contribute to ICOADS. The number of sea surface temperature observations in ICOADS has increased due to recent digitization by NCEI. Other parts of NOAA are involved in ocean buoy deployments that also contribute to ICOADS and the GTS data streams. NOAA continues to seek to increase the amount of data available for global analyses."
     
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    Again..you ask NOAA if their data is reliable...what do you suppose they are going to tell you? The simple fact is that the CRN network proves beyond question that their data are not reliable.

    Are you aware that there is a temperature monitoring system within the US called CRN....the system has triple redundancy....and is so pristinely placed that no adjustment is necessary? It has been in operation for some time now and what it is showing is very surprising...

    GHCN seems to be showing roughly the same global temps all over the world and in damned near every place it shows the same rate of warming...INCLUDING THE CONTINENTAL US...this warming is the result of data adjustment and infilling. Nothing new there...The CRN network, however, consisting of state of the art, triple redundant monitoring devices, pristinely placed, requiring no adjustment has shown that the temperature of the continental US has been dropping for the past decade....considering that GHCN and the other similar networks show mostly uniform warming across the globe including the continental US which the pristine CRN network shows has been cooling....is it not reasonable, and rational to suspect that if the CRN network extended across the entire globe, that it would show the same cooling trend? After all, it shows cooling here while the GHCN shows warming consistent with the rest of the globe...if the numbers are off here and the network is showing warming, it is probable that the adjustments and infilling are creating the same amount of warming across the entire earth.

    Or do you have some other hypothesis as to why a pristinely placed network would show cooling while the network that requires vast amounts of infilling and data manipulation...the network you trust, shows a warming trend?
     
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    Not interested in actually looking at the fraud climate science is penetrating huh....not surprising. It must be tough to look at actual evidence that your religion is based on fakery and is more akin to side show hucksterism than a scientific exploration for the truth. Damned interesting though that climate science continues with GHCN and the adjustments and infilling while doing its best to ignore and keep CRN and its evidence of a cooling trend out of the news. Do your self a google search for a headline like ADVANCED CRN NETWORK SHOWS COOLING TREND...and see what you get....plenty of hits but how many from the major news networks....how many from climate science itself...how many articles from the people who designed and maintain the network......the people who depend on climate change for grant money?

    And you don't find anything unusual about that? Take a look and then come back with some opinion piece claiming that the CRN which has clearly shown a cooling trend for the past decade+ isn't really showing a cooling trend.

    Guess evidence based adult conversation isn't your thing....especially when it calls what you believe you "know" into question.
     
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    Didn't really think so...but being an adult, I thought I would give you a chance to prove that you are the same...
     
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