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Muslim Ghettoisation

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  1. Iftikhar

    Iftikhar Member

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    Muslim Ghettoisation
    We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

    A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. There is a tendency for people of similar backgrounds to live together in neighourhoods. The term”ghettoisation” is inappropriate. The original ghettos in Europe during the middle ages were set up by law to confine the Jewish population to one area of a city. According to a research by an Australian academic that Muslim communities in Britain are being increasingly ghettoized in a trend that set back hopes of assimilation by years. Britain has now eight cities in the top 100 most ghettoized cities. The people from the Pakistani community in Bradford and Oldham and Leicester had trebled during the decade. A report by an academic Dr Alan Carling, that Bradford risks becoming a front line in the global clash between the West and Islam. But Islam and Muslims do not clash with the concepts of pluralism, secularism and globalisation. The native flight from Bradford’s inner-city wards showed clear evidence of an increase in segregation in the city since 1991. Native parents are avoiding sending their children in state schools where Muslims and other minorities are in majority. The dominance of Pakistani Muslims in the city has meant that Bradford has become bi-cultural.

    Immigrants are the creators of Britain new wealth, otherwise, inner cities deprived areas could not get new lease of life. The native Brits regard such areas as ghettoes. Integration is not religious and cultural, it is economic and Muslims are well integrated into British society and at the same time they are proud of their Islamic, linguistic and cultural identities, inspite of discrimination they have been facing in all walks of life. According to UN, 80% of British Muslims feel discriminated. They are less burden on social services. Immigrants made up 8.7% of the population, but accounted for10.2% of all collected income tax

    It is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizse the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system. In British schools, pupils are encouraged to focus too much on their similarities rather than their differences. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected.
    Iftikhar Ahmad
    www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
     
  2. SW85

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    The perception that they are unwelcome is hindering integration? Or the mere existential fact that they are unwelcome is?

    Yep, which is why mass immigration intrinsically defeats assimilation -- why assimilate when you can just live around people who speak your language, practice your customs, etc.?

    The deprived areas of inner cities ought to be allowed to die, if they are so squalid and undesirable that the supposedly intolerant "western elite" has to import million of foreigners just to keep them limping along.

    God forbid city managers be forced to do things like fix the schools, reduce crime, etc., rather than rely on immigration as a kind of ersatz life support for their failed careers.
     
  3. Iftikhar

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    Salaam

    London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to make British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.

    Today in Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslim education and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar was addressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminar but I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must have attended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslim school but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslim children will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role model.

    Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
    bilingual schools.

    Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
    National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
    humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

    Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
    problem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

    More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60 years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated 500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
    state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

    Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their own Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of the British society rather than becoming a buden.

    We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
    international language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?

    It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children to Muslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up their schools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all black school with Black teachers in Birmingham.

    Scotland's first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead within months after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towards the needs and demands of the Muslim community.
     
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    Just a thought, you might try branching out a bit from always talking about Muslim schools in Britain. The word "redundant" comes to mind.

    As for education, I really believe that state-funded education must be universal, not teaching specific things to specific children based on ethnicity. Giving children options could work - I believe all British schools require children to begin a second language fairly early in their educations, if Arabic were made available many of these problems could be assuaged.

    There's no need to go separating the Muslim children and the (for lack of a better term) other children. Separating children for school does more for discouraging understanding and integration between ethnic groups than it does for preserving the traditions of a minority ethnic group.
     
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    British Muslims should be taught the National Curriculum...end of Story.

    If you want your kids to speak Urdu or Arabic or Swahli or some other totally useless language then pay for it yourselves you bunch of spongers!! You live in the United Kingdom send your kids to the normal schools instead of advocating some ridiculous form of aparteid! If this bothers you sod off to a country which meets your educational needs and ideals because obviously the UK is not for you!!

    ....... and you think by spending more time learning Urdu or Arabic or the Koran this is going to improve their opportunities.

    All you want is to have your own little enclave in the UK, living off the UK tax payers and UK Benefits system. You have no intention of integrating into the wider population all you want is to breed more good little Muslims in your own little bubble whilst complaining about the country and its education system that is looking after you!!!! Screw you....

    Oh yeah...one other thing....

    fine....then bugger off back and live in Pakistan or whichever garbage heap you came from if its so bad in the UK! One good thing about the UK its a free country!!! No ones forcing you to stay!

    Listen up pal....there are whole generations of Pakistanis working hard and living well in the UK they contribute to society, they go out to work, their kids go to local schools and flourish. They go to the cinemas, super markets, football matches and they have fun.....its assholes like you that want to keep your fellow countrymen back becuase of this misguided idea that you have to live in the middle ages in order to serve Allah..... Be good little Muslim children and do what your parents tell you, marry who your parents tell you, stay in your own ethnic group, learn in our schools lessons that we'll teach you in classrooms that we control...do want we say pray as we want and life your life as we demand.....
     
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