Never Buy a Chrysler Again!

[top gun]

Err, that's wrong. With the old EPA tests, a Hemi-powered 300C gets 25MPG highway. The new tests drop that to 22 or 23. (I have a mechanically-identical Dodge Magnum.)

The only reason Barack replaced his 300 with a half-baked hybrid was because of the bad PR from him driving a "gas-guzzling" luxury car.

Err who cares!

The guy's a MILLIONAIRE!!!!!!!! A millionaire driving a glorified Dodge family car that gets 23 mpg... that's still nothing wild in the least.

Now if he was driving a Bentley or a H2 or something (like say Schwarzenegger) then I might give you some point... but a Chrysler with a cylinder deactivation engine... come on...

The Hemi features cylinder deactivation in the 300C and Magnum R/T; the "Multi Displacement System" (MDS) turns off the fuel consumption in four cylinders when V-8 power is not needed. This provides a world class combination of performance and fuel economy, without the driver noticing any difference. The MDS system has, according to Chrysler, saved nearly 100 million gallons of gasoline since 2005, and reduced carbon dioxide (CO₂) emissions by close to a million metric tons.

And like you said the other car he picked was a Ford Escape... another moderate car for a millionaire to be driving.

You can support the growth of more fuel efficient vehicles and still drive an average gas mileage type car. I know because I could be driving a Prius or something myself but drive an Audi A6. It gets around 27/28 on the highway not 40 or 45 but I love my A6... and it's still far from any of the real gas hogs.

The point is you want to see the technology evolve so more and more cars & even bigger vehicles are able to be fuel efficient as well.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The Hemi features cylinder deactivation in the 300C and Magnum R/T; the "Multi Displacement System" (MDS) turns off the fuel consumption in four cylinders when [/B]

I've seen Chryslers that did that regularly. They weren't designed to, it just happened out of the blue, and fairly frequently.

No Chryslers for me, thanks.

 

[top gun]

Very simply, Chrysler was pillaged. It was a highly-profitable company (making money hand over fist for 15+ years) when Daimler bought it. They essentially gutted it, let it wither, and dumped what was left to Cerberus.

Well yes... after going broke once and being bailed out by the government once before... which did work out for us taxpayers, all the money came back plus interest and the a lot of jobs were saved.

But after the big K car profit days Chrysler never really never did a lot. Eventually Plymouth bit the dust. There's ALWAYS some economic reason why a company like Chrysler sells itself off to a Daimler. If Chrysler was just kickin' butt and sales were through the roof I can't really see them wanting to give that away.

Truth is Chrysler has been in the background for years. They seem to be big on the thinking FIAT will help them big time by making them serious contenders with small car buyers with a new revamped and more European small car line.

Let's face it while the younger crowd and even a lot of retired people worried about gas prices went crazy for Honda Civics and such... and even more expensive nitche little cars like the Mini Cooper were seen as cool and different...

Dodge had what to compete... the Avenger... and Chrysler had what, nothing... please!

They needed some help...

 

[Jarlaxle]

Ye gods...

The Rams were selling like hotcakes.
The LH cars were flying out of the showrooms.
As were Jeeps.
And minivans.

They were making money hand over fist.

 

[asur]

Yes, Jeeps and trucks sold good.

But Fiats? please...

Save that silly idea for Mr Obama.

Well just never buying a Chrysler will be the American way now.

Same goes for GM.

If you are a hard working small guy, avoid buying both of these socialist dogs.

 

[Andy]

This is a thread titled NEVER BUY a CHRYSLER AGAIN.

I do believe in general though that it's very dangerous for our economy to let any company of any kind to be allowed to grow unchecked so big that should it ever fall it would be in a "too big to fail category". Not wanting to completely disallow it though it makes sense to have regulators steadily making sure the company is sound as they go along.

The fact is that if you are going to let these mega mergers go through then there needs to be "enhanced" supervision/regulation. Which the mega deregulaters the Republicants fought tooth & nail to dismantle at every turn.

If you don't want to change topic to your lies about this crap, then don't bring it up sparky.

 

[Andy]

Yes, Jeeps and trucks sold good.

But Fiats? please...

Save that silly idea for Mr Obama.

Well just never buying a Chrysler will be the American way now.

Same goes for GM.

If you are a hard working small guy, avoid buying both of these socialist dogs.

Hey, the Yugo was a model of success in Communist countries. Clearly it will work here

 

[top gun]

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If you don't want to change topic to your lies about this crap, then don't bring it up sparky.

So obviously you can see I was answering a statement that was made about regulation... but wanting to still stay on topic if possible.

And the core topic is about whether to buy or not buy Chryslers again... and you're quickly running out of brands LOL!

You don't like imports...

You don't like Chrysler because of the FIAT deal...

You don't like General Motors because they are cutting lines, taking a bailout and going to more fuel efficient cars.

Ford has been going smaller, more fuel efficient and hybrid on its own so they're not your fave.

Not that it's a big problem because you have that 1982 Buick pimp mobile of yours to cruise around in. Looks like after this year you're really stuck with the Flintmobile!

Before long your situation will be like Cuba. You'll still be tooling around in old 1980 & 90 models when everyone else is driving flying cars.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Only good things Chrysler has ever done (aside from the Viper) was importing foreign cars and re-badging them as American. (GM and Ford have also done this a few times).

The "Dodge Colt" was a re-badged Mitsubishi Mirage. Reliable, economical, everything a real Chrysler wasn't. And the turbocharged ones were a ball.

The various turbo Chryslers were far superior (as well as the turbo Colt being essentially mythical...I've seen one, ever, and that was in a salvage yard 5+ years ago).

And the Sunbeam Alpine sports cars they imported from Rootes Group in England in the 60s, were the best-handling sports car of the day, though no more reliable than any other British sports car.

Then when other Brit manufacturers started putting larger 4cyl engines (and even 6cyl) in their competing sports cars, Rootes was caught flatfooted. Would have taken them years to design and develop a good engine to match. So they sent a couple of engineers over to the colonies with a notebook and a yardstick, who started going to American car dealers, opening hoods, and measuring engines. They found that only the Ford 260 V8 would fit in the Alpine, sort of, so started buying them from Ford by the thousand. Result was a fireball of a car called the Tiger.

But it put Chrysler in the odd position of selling Ford products through its (Chrysler's) dealer network, supporting them with parts and service, etc. And emissions laws kept tightening, so eventually Rootes quit making them.

Those were the days.

But, buy a Chrysler-designed-and-built car nowadays? What am I, nuts? They'll soon make the Trabie look good.

Yep, you're nuts. Well, nuts or stupid.

Drive a 300C, a Challenger, or a Charger. Powerful, comfortable, quiet cars.

Heck, drive a new Ram 1500.

 

[top gun]

Only good things Chrysler has ever done (aside from the Viper) was importing foreign cars and re-badging them as American. (GM and Ford have also done this a few times).

The "Dodge Colt" was a re-badged Mitsubishi Mirage. Reliable, economical, everything a real Chrysler wasn't. And the turbocharged ones were a ball.

And the Sunbeam Alpine sports cars they imported from Rootes Group in England in the 60s, were the best-handling sports car of the day, though no more reliable than any other British sports car.

Then when other Brit manufacturers started putting larger 4cyl engines (and even 6cyl) in their competing sports cars, Rootes was caught flatfooted. Would have taken them years to design and develop a good engine to match. So they sent a couple of engineers over to the colonies with a notebook and a yardstick, who started going to American car dealers, opening hoods, and measuring engines. They found that only the Ford 260 V8 would fit in the Alpine, sort of, so started buying them from Ford by the thousand. Result was a fireball of a car called the Tiger.

But it put Chrysler in the odd position of selling Ford products through its (Chrysler's) dealer network, supporting them with parts and service, etc. And emissions laws kept tightening, so eventually Rootes quit making them.

Those were the days.

But, buy a Chrysler-designed-and-built car nowadays? What am I, nuts? They'll soon make the Trabie look good.

You bring back some old memories my friend.

Back in High school I had a friend that had a red Sunbeam Tiger... and you're right it did handle extremely well for the time and it would really move with that small V8 and being so light!

I don't think the name helped it though "Sunbeam" kinda sounded like it should be in the home appliance isle? But all in all it definately was an underrated car much like the Volkswagen Scirocco... that thing was amazing for it's time too. I hear they are finally bringing an updated version of that one back.

Both these cars were in play back when Z28 Camero's and Big block Mopar's ruled so they just didn't make the mark they would today.

And I agree with what you've said about Mopar. For the most part the whole Chrysler/Dodge line LOOKS tired and dated... not all, the new style Chrysler 300 is a good & unique car for it's place in the line up, but most.

Their interiors are bland and their sheet metal is angular and kinda stodgy not nearly as smooth & aerodynamic looking as other brands... especially the imports. You can even look at the styling in the Charger compared to the retro Challenger. The retro Challenger is actually smoother than the newer style Charger.

But they were in no position to try and bring back something like the Challenger either (although I will say it the most true to the past looking remake out there... much more true to the retro look than the Camero or Mustang IMO).

But it wasn't what they needed to survive. They needed a part of their line that could go after the Civic's and Jetta's even the more performance type small cars like the WRX Subaru. That's what they've needed for years... but invested in HEMI instead.

Fiat should really help them here. And with gas prices sneaking back up it might end up being very good timing for this venture as well.