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No Lib can validate anything on this forum

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by chestnut, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    I've only been on this forum for a few days and the theme is the same on every thread.

    A thread is submitted. Some good discussusion starts and then when libs have to present true hard facts to substantiate what they are saying,
    Bam-- out comes the mud and the insults.

    Look at the example they have had with the Obama Camp.

    can anyone say. SIMON SAYS. :D
     
  2. Sihouette

    Sihouette Active Member

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    You are spamming now.

    I have repeatedly given hard facts that support validation that you claimed I could not on the Lib-challenge thread.

    I think the admins should step in and stop the spamming personally..
     
  3. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    Sil, please offer some of your "cold hard facts" here to support your assertions.
     
  4. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    You're wrong. Here are some facts. They're documented facts with date and source detailed.

    John McCain has been campaigning on his unwavering support for Bush’s needless war in Iraq. He’s even said we should stay there for 100+ years. He’s trying to project the image that he has superior knowledge about this needless war and it’s a cornerstone of his presidential campaign.

    But John McCain has a problem. He has a record on Iraq. He has a record he can be, and should be judged by.

    John McCain has repeatedly confused Sunni and ****e religious sects, revealing a stunning ignorance for a senator who claims to be the sole possessor of superior knowledge and judgment regarding U.S. involvement in Iraq. Frankly, McCain has an astonishing record of inaccurate assessments and poor predictions about Bush’s needless war in Iraq. From his nonsensical assessment of the security of Baghdad to his assertions of political progress in Iraq, which even the top U.S. commander in that country contradicts, McCain has a damning history of being wrong on Iraq.

    McCain said the war in Iraq would be “One of the best things that’s happened to America.” While appearing on NBC’s Meet The Press, McCain said, “We’re going to be all right. We’re going to prevail and we will win and it’ll be one of the best things that’s happened to America and the world in a long time ‘cause it’ll reverberate throughout the Middle East.” (March 3, 2003)

    Five years later, 4,000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent and no “reverberation”, this is “one of the best things that’s happened to America”?

    McCain predicted “Great Joy and Pleasure in Iraq”. While appearing on NBC’s Meet The Press, McCain said, “I believe that these people have the same yearnings for freedom and democracy and independence and self-determination that every person on earth does, and once this Gestapo is off of their backs, then I think you will see great joy and pleasure that we were able to free them and that will not come until they are sure that they don’t have Saddam Hussein returning again.” (March 30, 2003)

    Five years later, 4,000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent and where’s the “great joy and pleasure” in Iraq” Instead, we’re battling insurgents, that’s Iraqi citizens, that seem to be annoyed with an invasion and prospect of a 100+ year occupation.

    McCain said Bush led with “clarity and did not exaggerate the case for war”. In 2003, McCain praised George W. Bush’s leadership on the Iraq war saying, “I think the president has let with great clarity and I think he’s done a great job leading the country, don’t you all?” And asked if he thought the president exaggerated the case for war, McCain said, “I don’t think so.” (MsNBC Hardball, April 4, 2003 / Fox News July 31, 2003)

    Five years later, 4,000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent, no weapons of mass destruction in 200 known sites, no nuclear threat, no clear and present danger to America, in fact 100% of Bush’s claims used as sole justification for starting his needless war turned out to 100% false, and McCain says “no exaggeration”.

    McCain said that disarming Iraq would, “Significantly Improve the Stability of The Region.” In a 2003 New York Times op-ed, McCain wrote, “Many critics suggest that disarming Iraq through regime change would not result in an improved peace. There are risks in this endeavor, to be sure. But no one can plausible argue that ridding the world of Saddam Hussein will not significantly improve the stability of the region and the security of American interests and values. (March 13, 2003)

    Five years later, 4000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent, and no “stability in the region”. We don’t even have “stability in Iraq”. We don’t even have “stability” in Baghdad. We don’t even have “stability” in the Green Zone. Then there’s the issue of Bush’s needless war enhancing Iran’s influence in the region to a point where the Republicans are contemplating starting yet another war they can lose.

    McCain predicted “Jubilant Iraqis Would Diminish Anti-American Sentiment in The Middle East.” In the build up to the Iraq war, McCain stated that it is “more likely that antipathy toward the United States in the Islamic world might diminish amid the demonstrations of jubilant Iraqis celebrating the end of a regime that has fee equals in its ruthlessness. (American Conservative Magazine, February 11, 2003)

    Five years later, 4,000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent and no “jubilant Iraqis” The reality is, Bush’s blunder in strategy allowed a civil war to erupt. The fact is, anti-American sentiment in the Middle East has swelled the ranks of al-Qaeda as a great recruiting tool. The fact is, all of our own intelligence agencies are on the record in stating the Iraq war has made America less safe. In the face of this evidence, McCain wants to continue this mistake for 100+ years.

    Repeatedly, McCain Claimed The United States Would Win Easily in Iraq. In 2002 and 2003, before the invasion, McCain repeatedly claimed success in Iraq would be easy and minimized potential risks. According to CNN, McCain stated, “Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women.” (March 17, 2003)

    Five years later, 4,000+ dead Americans, $3 trillion spent, a civil war in progress, tens of thousands more troops and this is “easy”? It was “easier” and faster to defeat the Germans and Japanese in WW II than to just create order in Iraq. It was so “easy” McCain now thinks we should still be working on it for 100+ years.

    When it comes to Iraq, a cornerstone to his bid to become president, John McCain has a record we can view and judge him by. He’s been consistent. He’s been consistently wrong. He’s been wrong, dead wrong. He was wrong then. He’s wrong now. His claims are not subject to spin. They’re documented and reveal the danger of allowing anyone so consistently wrong the opportunity to make the mess he helped create, get worse.

    John McCain, who has been consistently wrong, is wrong for America. His own well established record proves that beyond any doubt.
     
  5. BigRob

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    We have been over this before.... you ignore all the timelines of events, and judge every single thing in hindsight. You ignore that were treated well initially, and then that changed.

    You ignore that the war was easy, it was the aftermath that has been difficult.

    I also have no idea where you are getting this 3 trillion number, most estimates put spending on the Iraq war at around 570 billion. (give or take)
     
  6. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    I guess by good discusion you mean, republican hacks agree with each other, then a lib does not agree then you ignore evidence and cry prove it, with no proof of your own? at least thats how I see if most of the time...
     
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