Obama being sued over his citizenship! Prove it!!

[XCALIDEM]

The question being raised since Obama was at some point in his early life known as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, at what point did he become a US Citizen? Since the Constitution of the United States allows only born (not naturalized) US Citizens to be President, if Obama was born a US Citizen, renounced his citizenship and then became a naturalized US Citizen, where does the law place him vis-a-vis eligibility to be President? In other words, even if we see the birth certificate, it is not the birth cirtificate itself that is the issue, but the citizenship and nationality he has had during the course of his life.

Here's a copy of the court documents on this law suit: Any attorneys in tha house?
Berg VS Barack Hussein Obama and the DNC

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/

Apparently Obama and the DNC are trying to get this suit dismissed....Which makes wonder why??? Why can't you be upfront with AMERICA?

I also wonder why the media has kept this under wraps? Well, I know why...

Here's a great web site that gives us great information about this case in detail....
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/update-on-berg-v-obama-lawsuit.html

 

[pocketfullofshells]

man you guys are just getting lame, thats who you know you know you lost, your clutching for anything.

 

[XCALIDEM]

man you guys are just getting lame, thats who you know you know you lost, your clutching for anything.

I think its very legit question! If it wasn't why is he hiding those documents?

 

[Stalin]

John McCain wasn't born in the US. He was born in Panama.

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

If someone sued you saying you were not a citizens of your country, you'd be petitioning for a dismissal as well. Not producing evidence while a petition to dismiss is being considered by the judge is a very normal legal procedure. Get a grip on reality - this is still a non-issue like it was the first two times it was brought up.

Obama was born to American mother in Hawaii. He is a natural-born American citizen regardless of what other citizenship may apply.

That his mother used her current husband's last name on school records isn't some gross abnormality - many people I was in school with (back when young dinosaurs frolicked in the USA) were also know by their stepfather's surname socially and at school though no legal adoption had occurred.

Obama also received citizenship to Kenya at birth because his father was a Kenyan citizen. Even if the stepfather had adopted Obama, he would still be a natural born US citizen, but would have dual citizenship (US and Indonesian) under state department rules and still be eligible for the presidency under Article two, clause 5 of the US Constitution.

Since Obama's mother was a natural-born US citizen and he was born on US soil and his mother retained her parental rights throughout his minority (though his also US citizen grandparents had custody of him from age 10), he is a natural-born US citizen and retained his US citizenship throughout his childhood.

McCain's status - is a person a natural-born US citizen if born in a US territory - is not clear. Several US presidents have been so born but the legality of their meeting the requirement to be a natural-born citizen was never questioned.

 

[XCALIDEM]

If someone sued you saying you were not a citizens of your country, you'd be petitioning for a dismissal as well. Not producing evidence while a petition to dismiss is being considered by the judge is a very normal legal procedure. Get a grip on reality - this is still a non-issue like it was the first two times it was brought up.

Obama was born to American mother in Hawaii. He is a natural-born American citizen regardless of what other citizenship may apply.

That his mother used her current husband's last name on school records isn't some gross abnormality - many people I was in school with (back when young dinosaurs frolicked in the USA) were also know by their stepfather's surname socially and at school though no legal adoption had occurred.

Obama also received citizenship to Kenya at birth because his father was a Kenyan citizen. Even if the stepfather had adopted Obama, he would still be a natural born US citizen, but would have dual citizenship (US and Indonesian) under state department rules and still be eligible for the presidency under Article two, clause 5 of the US Constitution.

Since Obama's mother was a natural-born US citizen and he was born on US soil and his mother retained her parental rights throughout his minority (though his also US citizen grandparents had custody of him from age 10), he is a natural-born US citizen and retained his US citizenship throughout his childhood.

McCain's status - is a person a natural-born US citizen if born in a US territory - is not clear. Several US presidents have been so born but the legality of their meeting the requirement to be a natural-born citizen was never questioned.

I guess you only read what you wanna read. As I explained before, the issue is not wether he was born here, but if he actually gave up his U.S.citizenship when becoming a iNDONESIAN citizen. It may be a technicallity, so what! It's a legitimate issue. There's alot that we don't know about this guy.

I can't believe that there are many who are willing to give their vote to an unknown person.
This is a guy that came out of nowhere and because of his speeches has brain washed many...

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I guess you only read what you wanna read. As I explained before, the issue is not wether he was born here, but if he actually gave up his U.S.citizenship when becoming a iNDONESIAN citizen. It may be a technicallity, so what! It's a legitimate issue. There's alot that we don't know about this guy.

I can't believe that there are many who are willing to give their vote to an unknown person.
This is a guy that came out of nowhere and because of his speeches has brain washed many...

Please go read the ICSUS rules on children and adoption -- even if Obama had been adopted by his stepfather he would have remained a US citizen - he is either a dual citizen of the US and Kenya or a dual citizen of the US and Indonesia. He got that citizenship by being born in the US and from the fact that his mother was a citizen. Being adopted by his stepfather would not have terminated his mother's parental rights -- and that is the only way his citizenship rights could have been lost as a minor.

 

[The Scotsman]

..........the issue is not wether he was born here, but if he actually gave up his U.S.citizenship when becoming a iNDONESIAN citizen. It may be a technicallity, so what! It's a legitimate issue.

.........wouldn't that be called dual nationality? Just because one is given another nationality by ones parents does not mean that you automatically give up your right to US Citizenship

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

.......so....doesn't sound like he gave up his citenzenship does it! Also he was 10 years old at the time so technically he couldn't....legally anyway. So, non-issue?

 

[The Scotsman]

Hi Dinosaur.........guess we're both on the same wavelength....just I'm a tad slower

 

[Stalin]

The reality

Sriro's Desk Reference of Indonesian Law

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA104,M1


Page 104 or therebaouts

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

After reading the entire section on adoption and naturalization it appears that if the stepfather adopted Obama, he would have become an Indonesian citizens and would have also retained his US citizenship. Only those over age 21 are allowed to renounce their other citizenship(s) under Indonesian law according to this source.

 

[XCALIDEM]

Please go read the ICSUS rules on children and adoption -- even if Obama had been adopted by his stepfather he would have remained a US citizen - he is either a dual citizen of the US and Kenya or a dual citizen of the US and Indonesia. He got that citizenship by being born in the US and from the fact that his mother was a citizen. Being adopted by his stepfather would not have terminated his mother's parental rights -- and that is the only way his citizenship rights could have been lost as a minor.

If that was the case, then don't you think that the attorney sueing would had known that before waisting his time and the courts. Even the judge would not even heard the case....

 

[The Scotsman]

If that was the case, then don't you think that the attorney sueing would had known that before waisting his time and the courts. Even the judge would not even heard the case....

....no, he's wasting everyone else's time..... but he's being paid for his

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

If that was the case, then don't you think that the attorney suing would had known that before wasting his time and the courts. Even the judge would not even heard the case....

Look up the history of the attorney who filed this and I believe you will have your answer about why it was filed. He has sought his 15 minutes of fame over and over filing frivolous lawsuits like this one. He filed a RICO suit against GWB for 9/11. I'm serious - go look it up.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

If that was the case, then don't you think that the attorney sueing would had known that before waisting his time and the courts. Even the judge would not even heard the case....

you would think that given he in in the US Senate, and worked on Lose Nukes, and have Security Clearance....they know all they need to know. This is nothing but cheap politics, and your a fool if you believe anything else. Same with if they went after Mccain for being Born in the Panama Canal .