Obama lead evaporates

[Libsmasher]

According to a CBS News (no friend of McCain ) Poll Obama's post convention bounce at 48 - 40, has disappeared, with the race now tied at 42 - 42. This was before the slam dunk Palin speech.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml

 

[Dr.Who]

I also saw that the RCP difference decreased from this morning to this evening.

 

[Pandora]

After the convention it will probably really close to election day, assuming we keep the real obama under wraps

 

[BigRob]

After the convention it will probably really close to election day, assuming we keep the real obama under wraps

I find it funny that someone was pointing out there was no "Palin bounce" when we all know full well that bounces come after the conventions when the VP pick is so close and so little is known. I said it for Biden, and it holds true for Palin as well.

 

[Pandora]

I find it funny that someone was pointing out there was no "Palin bounce" when we all know full well that bounces come after the conventions when the VP pick is so close and so little is known. I said it for Biden, and it holds true for Palin as well.

I always thought you got a bounce with your vp pick and again another after the convention but you were right biden didnt get one, and his after convention bounce was like 5 and its not holding.

I wonder about the R ticket. I get a feeling that the R party woke up. Even in my city full of socialists and communits, they are talking about Palin and in a good way. I see smiles when talking politics rather than fustration.

I am feeling pretty good about this.

 

[BigRob]

I always thought you got a bounce with your vp pick and again another after the convention but you were right biden didnt get one, and his after convention bounce was like 5 and its not holding.

I wonder about the R ticket. I get a feeling that the R party woke up. Even in my city full of socialists and communits, they are talking about Palin and in a good way. I see smiles when talking politics rather than fustration.

I am feeling pretty good about this.

I think it will fade in due order. I think the race will go back and forth but it will be the debates that win it or lose it. (barring some unforeseen dealbreaker of course)

 

[Pandora]

I think it will fade in due order. I think the race will go back and forth but it will be the debates that win it or lose it. (barring some unforeseen dealbreaker of course)

I think McCain will be a better debater than Obama, though the mods will be in the tank for obama

I am unsure though about the debates with Biden. I hope he attacks her but I dont think he will. She will hold her own im sure, but i dont know if she will beat the tar outta him

 

[BigRob]

I think McCain will be a better debater than Obama, though the mods will be in the tank for obama

I am unsure though about the debates with Biden. I hope he attacks her but I dont think he will. She will hold her own im sure, but i dont know if she will beat the tar outta him

The VP debate is meaningless. No one will watch it, and if they do no one else will care.

It will be the McCain/Obama debates that seal the deal.

 

[alexend]

Hi everyone, from Sydney, just listening to mcain speech. It's depressing; he said he is threating to sack bad teachers. Won't that be teachers teaching in low socio economic areas, where results are usually the lowest on average nationally. Blame the teachers instead of the root causes. Not that there are no any bad teachers out their. But how is Mcain planning on identying the problem? there is a similar deabte going on here in OZ.

Alex

 

[BigRob]

Hi everyone, from Sydney, just listening to mcain speech. It's depressing; he said he is threating to sack bad teachers. Won't that be teachers teaching in low socio economic areas, where results are usually the lowest on average nationally. Blame the teachers instead of the root causes. Not that there are no any bad teachers out their. But how is Mcain planning on identying the problem? there is a similar deabte going on here in OZ.

Alex

Many times the problem is with the teachers. Especially in low income areas. Eliminating poverty will not produce good students, I went to a Jesuit school with plenty of rich bad students.

There are countless examples of poor smart students as well who come out of bad schools and are successful.

 

[Libsmasher]

Hi everyone, from Sydney, just listening to mcain speech. It's depressing; he said he is threating to sack bad teachers. Won't that be teachers teaching in low socio economic areas, where results are usually the lowest on average nationally. Blame the teachers instead of the root causes. Not that there are no any bad teachers out their. But how is Mcain planning on identying the problem? there is a similar deabte going on here in OZ.

Alex

You may not know that that US government education is a total flop, with US students scoring behind all industrialized countries in international math and science tests. The government schools, and the time-serving incompetent union-backed drones who staff them, ARE the root of the problem.

 

[GenSeneca]

You may not know that that US government education is a total flop, with US students scoring behind all industrialized countries in international math and science tests. The government schools, and the time-serving incompetent union-backed drones who staff them, ARE the root of the problem.

But they do turn out Democrat voters like champs...

 

[alexend]

Hi Rob, (I had a problem login in. I had the caps locked!! and got locked out for 15 minutes after 5 wrong password attempts.... Luckilliyl I saved my reply.)

It is true that there are many rich bad students as you say, and it's is not as clear cut as "targeting" only rich areas. My argument is not that. It is about the solutions offered. If you are genuinely concerned about raising cognitive levels, then you propose a solution which sees all of the main factors that contribute to the problem; especially when specifically addressing the issue.

Mcain was depressing because he was negative and created division through omitting these factors, which can only be seen as a cursory approach, and thus can only lead to mix results. Constructive solutions are needed not empty threats, that is, if you really care, like he apparently is supposed to.

Thanks

Alex

 

[Pandora]

Hi everyone, from Sydney, just listening to mcain speech. It's depressing; he said he is threating to sack bad teachers. Won't that be teachers teaching in low socio economic areas, where results are usually the lowest on average nationally. Blame the teachers instead of the root causes. Not that there are no any bad teachers out their. But how is Mcain planning on identying the problem? there is a similar deabte going on here in OZ.

Alex

I think he is talking about bad teachers who are protected by the unions.

we have some of the best teachers ever who make the same as some of the worst teachers ever.

some of the bad teachers have done things that would get them fired in a heartbeat if they worked in the real world, but because they work for the public school system and have a strong union, they abuse the system and we have some really horrible teachers that need to go, and we have some really great teachers who deserve credit and higher pay.

 

[BigRob]

Hi Rob, (I had a problem login in. I had the caps locked!! and got locked out for 15 minutes after 5 wrong password attempts.... Luckilliyl I saved my reply.)

It is true that there are many rich bad students as you say, and it's is not as clear cut as "targeting" only rich areas. My argument is not that. It is about the solutions offered. If you are genuinely concerned about raising cognitive levels, then you propose a solution which sees all of the main factors that contribute to the problem; especially when specifically addressing the issue.

Mcain was depressing because he was negative and created division through omitting these factors, which can only be seen as a cursory approach, and thus can only lead to mix results. Constructive solutions are needed not empty threats, that is, if you really care, like he apparently is supposed to.

Thanks

Alex

I think that holding teachers accountable is part of the solution. If they cannot teach, they have no business being in the classroom. That is a good step 1 to take in my view.

I also like the idea of school vouchers. I think (not entirely sure) that McCain goes along with that as well.