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Obama redistribution plan in action.

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Andy, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    This is from the Dave Ramsey web site. I did not write or create this story.
    Tax Plan

    Today on my way to lunch, I passed a homeless guy with a sign saying "Vote for Obama! I need the money!". Once inside the restaurant, my server had an Obama08 tie. When the bill came I decided to not tip the server and explained I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I explained I was going to redistribute his tip to someone I deemed more in need, the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed out of my sight. I went outside and gave the guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside, as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment, I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he didn't earn, but the server was pretty angry that I gave away the money that he did earn, even though the recipient needed the money more.

    I guess redistribution of wealth is easier to swallow in concept, than in practical application.
     
  2. Unite Our Nation

    Unite Our Nation New Member

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    LMAO!!! I think I will try this with my hair stylist!! She is such an obama supporter. I'll give the $50 tip I usually give her to the first homeless person I see and tell him/her the same thing.

    :D
     
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    I like it. Rushhannity
     
  4. rushhannity

    rushhannity New Member

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    I did the same thing today Andy,she was talkin Liberal politics. They Don`t like it much , but they will vote for the SOB. Thanks for the Idea.
     
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    Thats great I love it


    Tomorrow I am going to inform my daughter that I need to take her candy and I will give back some of the candy to her but there are kids who were to tired to go trick or treating and they deserve some of her candy too, and there were other kids who already gobbled up their candy and we need to re distribute the candy to others who need it more than she does.

    this kid scored record profits on her candy heck you would think she worked for BigCandy or something and we dont want other kids jealous that they did not score as well. I will let her know that I understand she worked really hard running to as many houses as possible but she shouldnt be greedy and its unamerican not to share your hard earned candy


    then Ill tell her its a lesson on socialism and give her all of her candy :)
     
  6. bwana

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    The really good news is while you were all so cleverly using your tip money to rehash a meaningless ideologial point, your 401k's lost a few more points, the price of bread went up a few more cents and the waiter, the homeless guy and the hair stylist got another day closer to the minor healthcare problem that will bankrupt them and place their financial meltdown squarely in your taxpayer pockets. Clever perspective though, if you're not burdened by thinking past the end of the week.

    Yet, you will undoubtedly defend the ones who will "profit" from the wars, the $4 gas this summer, the bailout, your 401k losses and whatever comes next. Or even better, stay focused on things that don't matter while the crooks walk the streets in broad daylight. Have you ever stopped and thought about who benefits from trotting out the same meaningless ideologocal platform arguments year after year instead of looking for real answers to our actual problems?

    Besides, who wouldn't seek the economic wisdom of someone who gives the hairdresser a $50 tip? Your hair gets better care than the girl who cuts it.

    bwana
     
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    so we need to focus on the rich and getting what we can from them for us?
    This is the better way? if this is better than why is obama only wanting to raise thier taxes some... if its rightfully our money not theres why doesnt he take the whole damn thing so we can have more of their money for us.

    If we just killed off the holywierd stars alone we could all have a pretty good chunk then we could go after big sports stars, their money should rightfully be ours right? then big politicians, they are loaded! and it should all be fore me me me

    well and you too!
     
  8. Pyrrish

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    Well I came here to see if I could catch some good political commentary/discussion. To my dismay I read this thread first...does everyone here lean to the right or are there people that actually intelligently support either side?

    What a horrible analogy/representation of the redistribution plan. The original poster is very obviously trivializing a more complex plan. Obama is not suggesting that we give money to certain people that we (or he) deem worthy using money that other people earn in this seemingly simplistic and random manner. If we are making analogies of this level of intelligence then why don't we say...McCain's tax plan would be like all of the waiters in that restaurant giving a cut of their tips back to the restaurant, but the ones that get the most tips and do such a wonderful job at waiting get to keep a huge percentage more of their tips than the other waiters. Come on now...at least TRY to see things from the other side.
     
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    You need to get a handle on the facts. From the non-partisan Tax Foundation:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/23319.html
     
  10. Andy

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    Yeah the homeless guy is fretting they he might go bankrupt due to a health problem. What are you smoking?

    See I don't even get what you bellyaching about. You whine about health care costs going to the tax payers.... ok. So what is your plan again?

    Oh yes, I heard the dozens of liberals screaming, yelling and fretting about the cost of gas, and swearing up and down it was going to keep climbing. It would be $5 by October, and $10 by new years, and $15 and $50 and blaw blaw blaw blaw blaw.... I filled up the ol buick for $2.10. Will you ignorant people shut up finely? You are never right about these Miss Cleo predictions. Just give up on this stupidity. Psst... hint: you don't know what the oil market is going to do. Hey guess what, I don't either. So shut up... ok?

    Here's an idea, instead posting a whine fest, actual post your solution, eh?
     
  11. Andy

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    It wasn't an analogy or representation. It was an actual event, inspiredby the underlining concept. Regardless of whether it's more complex or not, the basic idea is to take money from those who rightfully earned it, and give that money to those who did not rightfully earn it.

    Further, the claim about McCains tax plan, is just simply a lie. Nothing supports that lame fabrication. Prove that people make more pay a lower tax percentage, than those who earn less. Heck I can look at my parents income taxes, and see they are pay a massively higher percentage than I am, and they don't work at all. So that's just bull.

    All of us at all levels, have a basic understanding that we should get paid for the work we do. It's the same for a burger flipper at McD's, a hairdresser, a secretary at a company, a accountant at H&R block, a manager of a national district chain, a member of the board of directors, or the CEO of a company.

    Everyone everywhere, all agree that they should get paid for the work they do. People who do not do the work, all want to get money for doing nothing.

    In concept everyone thinks that some other person will pay, not them. But in practice, it ends up hurting more people. For example, the alternative minimum tax was supposed to only hit the wealthy and rich. Now however, we find that a husband and wife truck driving team can get hit with the AMT. The same can be said for millions of taxes that were enacted to only effect the 'rich'. The reason is because our entire economy is interconnected. When you attack any part, you effect the whole.

    Just like the yacht tax, devastated the yachting industry, causing thousands of jobs to be lost. It was only supposed to effect the 'rich' who buy yachts. Instead it effected the lower and middle class that built the yachts. The most ignorant and stupid thing you can do, is attack the rich. It only hurts the lower and middle class.
     
  12. bwana

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    So, you think the gas prices are market-driven? That quarter after quarter of unprecedented billions of "profits" were just the market reacting to supply and demand? The price gouging we have been the victims of, shows up nearly dollar for dollar as windfall "profits". And you think this proves what?

    Your $2.10 fill-up is a SMOKING FREAKING GUN and clear evidence that fuel prices are set by something other than market forces. I won't stoop to invite you to shut up but I would politely invite you to wake up.

    In the absence of your ability to follow an obvious conclusion, the "plan" is to study why mega-corporations with unlimited financial resources continually receive unlimited tax-credits, subsidies, bail-outs and freebies. Their predatory competitive practices lock small businesses out, this is not free market competition it is bullying, the "plan" is to acknowledge that this is going on and stop it.

    The financial giants abused relaxed regulations to generate fee income from bad loans, this was not an act driven by liberal socialists, it was a simple case of greed and when the ponzi scheme collapsed, they are capable of running an $800 billion bail-out through congress in WEEKS, during an election year! The "plan" here is to acknowledge that this was not caused by capitalist free-market forces, but by collusion and manipulation. The "Plan" is to identify those responsible and take them to task for placing greed over preserving a proven credit-model.

    There is no screaming, yelling and fretting here my friend, this is a thoughtful and accurate commentary aimed at the real enemies. Falling into the usual comfortable trap of blathering about screaming liberals this, or bellyaching socialists that, is just a predictable regurgitation of so-called conservative "values", whatever that is by someone content to argue "plans" rather than to seek action and change.

    The thieves are in the house. "Plans" are out the window. Action is required. We know who the thieves are, either you are on the team who wants them stopped or you are part of the group of silent, apathetic fools who prefer to sling insults in debates about nothing instead of acknowledging that we are being ripped off.

    bwana
     
  13. Andy

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    I don't think that gasoline prices are market-driven. I know they are. How do I know they are? Because there are dozens of markets the world over, and high oil prices hit everyone.

    Further, if it was not market-driven, then why would the oil companies have waited the last 50 years of oil production, to suddenly boost the price of oil (shockingly) when the supply went down, and the demand went up? <sarcasm>What an amazing coincidence.</sarcasm>

    There was no, and is no price gouging. The price of oil is determined in the world commodities market. If you know anything about free markets, and supply & demand, then you'd understand that. The company who produces the oil, has no control over how much that oil sells for. If they did, why would they ever allow the price of a barrel of oil drop to $65 dollars, from $150? Gasoline refineries have no control over how much they must pay for a barrel of oil, or they'd never have allowed it to reach $150 to begin with.

    It's called... supply... and... demand. It's economics 101. Why do you not know this?

    You are proving ignorance in this discussion. Perhaps you should shut up. Or at least learn something about the topic before speaking. The idea that $2.10 proves market forces are not at work, is about as logical as claiming a $5 Wendy's combo proves ... I don't know what you think it would prove really. The argument is insane.

    If a gallon of gas being $2.10 leads you to a conclusion on anything, then I'm glad I don't have your version of 'logic'.

    Name one mega-corporation that has "unlimited" financial resources. I bet you all the money you have ever earned, it isn't unlimited. Same with tax-credits. You name the corporation, and I wager I can get a statement about how much taxes they paid. There are million of small businesses! The small business administration and the US Census Bureau both have numbers on this. If you were right, there would be no small business. Clearly you are wrong! You can say it again, it's still wrong.

    The financial giants were pushed to offer bad loans. You want to blame businesses for doing what government prodded them to do? Do you want the exact legislation where the liberals in government pushed for this? I will be happy to post it. Er.. the government pushed for the bailout far more than the private sector.

    I can buy this. Ok, those responsible are in government. Let's send them all to jail, and put new people in there. Then, stop the government from interfering with the market causing this stuff. Also, let's teach our citizens how bad burrowing money is, and then we won't have to worry about it.

    Well, I dispute your 'accurate' claim. You don't have much support, and most of the evidence is against you, so we can end that theory.

    I'm not being ripped off by anyone but government. They stole my earned income and hand it out to everyone else. Other than that, I'm perfectly fine.

    As far as slinging insults, well if the shoe fits, ware it. Now, granted I don't remember you specifically claiming that gas was going to go to $50 a gallon, but I do know at least a few dozen here on this forum who made constant whining and crying about how we'd be paying a millions a month for gasoline, over and over again. They screamed and wailed and went on and on about how the 'evil this' and 'bigoil' that would drive the price up for eternity. Now where are they? huh? Where's the $10/gallon gas? What happened to all the Miss Cleo(s) shouting about high gasoline price predictions??

    Instead the price is now just under half of what is was when the predictions went out. The fact is, no one knows what oil prices will do. Exxon CEO sent out a memo stating he had no idea what the price would be. In the mid 70s, after the Arab embargo, the UK magazine "The Economist", boldly stated that oil would keep climbing indefinitely. Instead it fell. In the mid 90s, predictions were that oil would drop to five dollars a barrel. Instead it rose.

    You crystal-ball-oil-prediction-doom-and-gloom people need to keep your mouth shut. You don't know jack. You've been wrong. You are wrong. You will be wrong. Give it up for once. This group of psychic-friends-network political hacks are the only group that has a 100% false prediction rate. Go back to your day jobs, and give up the stupidity.
     
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    Bwana, you are are one of the reasons why this great nation
    of ours is going down the toilet.
     
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    If the increase in prices was not due to free market forces then I suppose that we should believe you that they were due to massive greed.

    Does that mean that the dramatic drop in prices recently is because the oil companies suddenly had a huge outpouring of altruism?
     
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