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Obama Supporters Needed

Discussion in 'Polls' started by GenSeneca, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. GenSeneca

    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    I really don't care who votes for whom... I 'm just curious whether its the Socialism that Obama is preaching (his message), or Obama (the man) himself thats so popular with Americans.

    Do you support Socialism, currently known in America as the Progressive Movement, or do you just like Obama?

    Obama did recently get the much coveted endorsement of the Communist Party USA :

    The Democratic Socialists of America also wanted to weigh in with their excited support of Obama:

    Familiar with Obama's Issues Platform? From the DSA:

    DSA offers its Economic Justice Agenda and its “four pillars” as a framework for such a progressive policy agenda. This program calls for:
    1. Restoring progressive taxation to the levels before the Reagan administration and enacting massive cuts in wasteful defense spending;
    2. Enacting single-payer universal health insurance and expanding public initiatives in child care, elder care and pension security;
    3. Passing the Employee Free Choice Act as part of a broader effort to rebuild a powerful labor movement capable of achieving equity in the labor market; and
    4. Implementing a U.S. foreign policy that promotes global institutions that advance labor, environmental, and human rights and regulate transnational corporations.

    1. Obama is all about Taxing the Rich... I don't think you need proof of that. Here's an Obama Campaign commercial where he promises cuts to the Military:



    2. Here's Obama's plan on Universal Healthcare Insurance, and the expansions of child care, elderly etc.

    3. Employee Free Choice Act as mentioned on Obama's site:

    Ensure Freedom to Unionize: Obama and Biden believe that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA's passage and sign it into law.

    4. World Poverty Act, Obama says this is critical to a good US foreign policy... Thats where you find it on his site, under Foreign Policy:

    Fight Global Poverty: Obama and Biden will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and they will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal. They will help the world's weakest states to build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and generate wealth.

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    I truly hope its Obama thats popular... Not the Socialist agenda he's pushing.
     
  2. Shotgun314159

    Shotgun314159 New Member

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    i support mild socialism...
    as does the current progressive movement...

    socialism is working...
    sorry...
     
  3. GOP(JT)

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    That's the problem with all this socialist stuff. Yeah it sounds great. I don't know why anyone would want people to be poor, but WHERE WILL HE GET THE MONEY???
     
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    you actually have no clue what yout talking about
    DO YOU

    you suck the tit
    as do we all
    yet you think your immune and discusted

    C R A P O L A
     
  5. Bunz

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    A little bit of both. Short of something major coming out that sways me, I will be supporting him. There are many factors that have gone into my decision. The general tone of his policy issues appeal to me more than McCain's. I identify with Obama much more on a personal side of the coin than McCain.
    But again, my decision to support Obama is much more of a compromise than anything else.


    Obama did recently get the much coveted endorsement of the Communist Party USA :



    The Democratic Socialists of America also wanted to weigh in with their excited support of Obama:
    Endorsements of this variety mean nothing to me. This sort of issue is something I more or less always ignore.
     
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    Bunz New Member

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    Scaling back on incredibly wasteful war money. Increasing taxes on the very rich, who live so high on the hog the vast majority of Americans cant fathom that life. Who have gotten that way on the backs of thier employees often times who are living as the working poor.

    I will say that I want major tax reform in America. The "fair tax" is certainly not the answer, but the process as it is now is broken.
     
  7. GenSeneca

    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    ALL Defense Spending together comes to around $5,000 a second.

    ALL Entitlement Spending and other domestic nanny-state programs total $4.5 MILLION per second.

    We could easily fund both wars with the wasteful spending thats done in Entitlement programs.

    Why don't you just club all the Rich people over the head, steal evertything they got in the name of the "Greater Good", then stuff their lifeless bodies into ovens and call it a day? Its clear you don't believe "Rich" people are entitled to their Individual Rights, like that of Property.

    Seriously, there is nothing rational about this class warfare nonsense.... What we need is a Tax system that taxes ALL Americans equally, like a Flat Tax or Fair Tax (Fair tax only upon repeal of the 16th amendment). Once we all have a stake in the game, we pay much closer attention. As it is now, we can just vote ourselves OTHER peoples money while pretending it to be Legal, Moral, Ethical and justifiable.

    Everyone who thinks the "Greater Good" has a claim to another persons property needs to be honest enough to admit they wish to enslave others and steal their resources. Socialism is Evil.
     
  8. Red Meat

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    Obama is as Anti-American as Osoma. Taxing people that make more than $42,000. is a sure form of suppession! Who the hell is he to take something form someone that has worked hard, and give to those that contribute nothing? Who the hell is he to take peoples gun rights. Who the hell is he, he is the devoted member of a church lead by an Anti-American minister who just so happens to be the GODFOTHER of his Dautghers. He is the only Preidental Canidate to not pleadge the flag. He is the man that paid for his Harvard degree with terrorist ties. Don't beleave me, go to "news NBC.com and see for yourself!
     
  9. Shotgun314159

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    what complete tripe.
    are you that scared.
    that need you lie.

    not very patrotic of you.

    to lie.
    to spread fear.
    so your political party can stay in power.

    p a t h e t i c
     
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    how do you know?
    you have never lived without it.

    live in mexico for a while.
    see how that works for ya.
     
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    Socialism only sounds good to people with no ambition in my opinion.

    You feel you deserve a safety net, I say go earn one.

    Heaven forbid anyone work for anything in this country anymore. Now that sub-prime lending has collapsed, the same idiots who feel entitled to a house are demanding down payment assistance from the government.

    You are not entitled to anything, you are entitled to what you earn.

    If you dropped out of high school and work a crappy job for 10 bucks an hour, it is your own fault. It is not my fault. And I quite frankly have no sympathy for you. Maybe you should have cared a little more in school.
     
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    you don't have a job do you?

    10 a hour is 20k
    a year

    if you had a clue
    you would see that 24k a year is the mean adverage
    for most american familys

    you suck the tit of mild socialism
    yet have not the guts
    to leave it
     
  13. Bunz

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    Depends on how one defines entitlement programs. Id like a link to back up this claim.
    :rolleyes: Why dont you totally misrepresent my entire post. I never implied such a thing.
    HAHAHAHA firstly, Its clear that YOU are only interested in twisting my words for your purposes, and it doesnt matter what you describe is a totally unrealistic exaggeration. :rolleyes: I have never called for anyone to be stripped of any of thier rights. Also, owning property is NOT a right.
    I agree, it is shameful that the big wigs have moved jobs offshore, cut benefits, and fought additional oversight at every step of the way in an effort to ensure they are maximizing profits, and it doesnt concern them very much the people who have made them all that money. For a perfect example, think of the Walton family of Wal-Mart/Sam's Club fame.
    The fair tax is a joke and was virtually DOA. Flat tax is similar, what the real answer is in my eyes...a comprehensive solution that will have everyone paying thier fair share, and through a variety of methods, such as what Australia manages. Part income tax, part GST, but I also think a federal property tax is something to be explored further.
    I would say the same about unchecked capitalism and imperialism that we have now. GenSeneca, it is all a matter of perception.
     
  14. BigRob

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    I have a job.

    Per capita average is 44,000 a year. But let us assume you are making 20K a year in New York, DC, Boston, good luck living on that. Average entry level jobs most places will get you at least 30,000. What kind of work are you doing?

    Perhaps also you can tell me what the actual take home pay for someone earning that amount is, because it sure is not 20,000.

    Hardly, I payed attention in school, went to college, went on graduate school. If you did not and are making 10 dollars and hour it is your own fault, and my sympathy level for you and your situation does not exist.
     
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    Shotgun314159 New Member

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    i am not talking about big citys
    i am talking about
    the heart land
    where i live

    you big city types just live to look down on ural folk
    where 25k a year has to raise
    a family of four

    there are millions of them
    tens of millions
     
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