Oil Politics: War with Russia..

[UShadItComing]

Sihouette wrote:

The incentive for invasion will be touted any number of ways. But anyone with half a brain knows it's all about Russia balancing power as to the control of oil.

You may be on the right track so I'll stay with you for a while. At least you have pulled your horns in a little even though you are still trying to disagree with me because that's what you do.

When Georgia stepped over the line and tried to retake Ossetia they gave the Russians the excuse they wanted to destroy any US hopes of furhter encroachment by Georgia and thereby Nato. And I'm not suggesting that it's going to stop but it has given Russia the propaganda edge for the moment and they are going to make the most of it before the international community demands an end to the slaughter. Now the international community is going to have to put the pressure on Russia for carrying the slaughter too far and that's going to be difficult because of the fact that Russia is able to quite credibly claim that it needs to put down any future threat from Georgia. And of course the US is powerless at the moment to do anything about it.

You need to first of all understand that and then we can continue on with your ideas of oil being the prime motivation. Which of course I'm not going to disagree on but I will point out to you the simple fact that Georgia is not the whole equation here. It does have a lot to do with Nato encroachment (read US encroachment) into former Soviet territories in the Stans.

 

[GenSeneca]

It does have a lot to do with Nato encroachment (read US encroachment) into former Soviet territories in the Stans.

Former soviet satellite states WANT to join NATO... all you Socialists can do is spin that to be "US encroachment".

 

[UShadItComing]

Georgia claims that it's now withdrawing it's forces.

Russia says it's not withdrawing and continues to kick the sh-t out of them.

Truth is, Georgia is withdrawing but Russia is going to set this matter straight in good style before it's over. And the world community can't do much about it because Russia has right on it's side. Or at least it looks that way because Georgia started this thing.

That's how you cut thru the bullsh-t Americans.

 

[GenSeneca]

What a shock, you support any Socialist Military activity but denounce any action that stands in the way of Socialisms march to world domination. Like Sihoutte, at least you're consistent in your message.

 

[UShadItComing]

What a shock, you support any Socialist Military activity but denounce any action that stands in the way of Socialisms march to world domination. Like Sihoutte, at least you're consistent in your message.

No, no, no, I don't support what Russia is doing but I can see that Russia is capitalizing on a mistake by Georgia. Russia will stop but only when it thinks that the propaganda has turned against them. At the moment they are seen by the world as defending the people of Ossetia.

I love the situation but not because it furthers socialism because that's rather ridiculous. I love it because the US sits powerless to stop it until the damage is done to Russia's satisfaction. Remember general, most all countries in the world today hate the US and that's going to be capitalized on by Russia.

Advance socialism? Socialiam being advanced is not my agenda because I am a capitalist. But I'm the kind of capitalist that the world recognizes as a capitalist and not your kind of capitalist. Why can't you understand that your brand of capitalism is failing because it is failing it's people?

 

[GenSeneca]

I am a capitalist.

You have already admitted to being a Socialist... or did you forget?

 

[UShadItComing]

No, you must have read me wrong. I have always maintained that I am a capitalist living in a democracy but my brand of capitalism is quite different from yours. In any case, regardless of how you have interpreted what I have said, believe this as the last word.

And in fact most of you americans have acknowledged that Canada is not a socialist country at all so where does all the confusion come from?

 

[GenSeneca]

The only thing that separates my brand of Capitalism from yours, is Socialism.

Furthermore, you don't have the slightest clue why MY brand of Capitalism really is, you just throw out straw men and red herrings claiming thats what I support. So, I can sum up in 5 words what my brand of Capitalism is - take a shot at it and see how close you come.

 

[UShadItComing]

The only thing that separates my brand of Capitalism from yours, is Socialism.

Furthermore, you don't have the slightest clue why MY brand of Capitalism really is, you just throw out straw men and red herrings claiming thats what I support. So, I can sum up in 5 words what my brand of Capitalism is - take a shot at it and see how close you come.

I know what your brand of capitalism represents and I have spent a great deal of time explaining it to you people. I even offered Will Hutton's, 'A Declaration of INterdependence' because it offers an understanding of what is wrong with the US. If you don't want to understand what I'm talking about then why would I bother to keep repeating myself.

Your country is failing because you brand of capitalism is failing. What more do you need to know if you are going to continue to stay in denial?

But o.k. I'll give you something to deal with in your spare time: The wealth in your country is moving to the top quintiles and your standard of living which is in decline proves that it's having a negative effect. Onoy you can acknowldege that and start to try to do something about it.

Would you like to start to talk about this on a higher level with a bunch of rather intelligent conservatives? Check out Supplyside forum. I post there regularly but you will have a hard time figuring out who I am because you don't yet understand what this is all about.

 

[GenSeneca]

So let me get this straight... when you say "Your" brand, you are referring to American Capitalism and NOT GenSeneca's brand of Capitalism?

If so, I agree. American Capitalism is screwed up, thanks to Socialist policy.

 

[UShadItComing]

So let me get this straight... when you say "Your" brand, you are referring to American Capitalism and NOT GenSeneca's brand of Capitalism?

If so, I agree. American Capitalism is screwed up, thanks to Socialist policy.

I suspect that you are probably moving further away from getting it straight because I think your brand of capitalism is eliminating any form of social reform to fix the US brand of capitalism.

And I've been over that before with some of the others and in fact I was offered an example of a flower shop and how social policies could play a part in it to make it work. The answer is of course to hire workers at at least minimum wage as opposed to hiring illegals to work for below minimum wage. One answer among several.

But your problem to start with is going to be even accepting the term 'social' or 'social policies' and we can never get anywhere with that kind of an attitude. If you were interested in pursuing a logical discussion I would be willing but I fear you are just feeling too confrontational to even begin.

 

[GenSeneca]

I suspect that you are probably moving further away from getting it straight because I think your brand of capitalism is eliminating any form of social reform to fix the US brand of capitalism.

And once again you would guess wrong. We are a nation of laws and you seem to fail to realize that many of your complaints about our system are a result of our LAWS not being followed or enforced.

No need for hypothetical examples, there is REAL socialism pouring from the lips of Democrats, so lets use one example:

Democrats want a Windfall Profits Tax on "Big Oil"... What are your thoughts on such a proposal?

 

[UShadItComing]

gensen wrote

And once again you would guess wrong. We are a nation of laws and you seem to fail to realize that many of your complaints about our system are a result of our LAWS not being followed or enforced.

could be in part due to not enforcing laws but I would need some examples. The illegal alien problem is a problem because laws weren't enforced but your system still created the problem and that's undeniable.

So in this real example, why? Because your system wasn't intent on stopping it and that is going to take us right back to the hypothetical flower shop. A system which was more interested in stopping it because the interests of the people at mind would have stopped it or kept it minimal. Why was it allowed to happen? Because unviable businesses could be viable and make a profit with cheap labour.

No, a windfall profits tax will not fix your problems. Totallly different attitudes could perhaps. And I'll give you another example of socialism that I'm not in favour of and is not happening in my country. It happens in yours and it is bailouts of failing corps at the expense of the people.

So you see, I haven't guessed wrongly at all because I understand completely how laws are not enforced if it is in the conservtive's interest to not enforce them. At least until it's too late and then all the cons and the libs sit around argueing about how to fix something they have no intention of fixing. Your economy couldn't stand it!

 

[Andy]

Doesn't Russia have its own "Big Oil"?

Why is Russian Big Oil not threatening at all but American Big Oil so insidious?

Do you know what global commodities are?

A: Russian BigOil can't be used as a reason to support socialism in the US.
B: If the rest of the world is just as screwed up, they can't use their opinions to support socialism in the US.

 

[GenSeneca]

Because your system wasn't intent on stopping it... A system which was more interested in stopping it because the interests of the people at mind would have stopped it or kept it minimal. Why was it allowed to happen?

What is "it" a reference to?