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Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Bob the Builder, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. Bob the Builder

    Bob the Builder New Member

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    Maybe someone can help me understand what all the hubub is all about, but exactly why do you think that the government should pay for anyone's health care?

    For that matter, by what right does the government take a huge chunk out of my meager paycheck to pay for healthcare (or anything else for that matter) for people who are too lazy to get up and go to work every day like I have to when I don't have any health insurance and "make too much money" to qualify for any assistance?
     
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    Heck, I pay taxes for schools when I don't have children, for the military when I don't believe we should be in other countries and for the drug war when I believe drugs should be legal....you don't hear me sniveling over it, at least not from a personal financial viewpoint.

    You must be a Republican...greed is usually one of the first indicators.

    This is America, there's no reason affordable health care shouldn't be available to everyone.
     
  3. Bob the Builder

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    Education benefits all of us, or do you believe that we should eliminate Public Schools and go back to everyone home schooling their children? The same for the military; you may not care for some of the assignments they're given (I know I didn't when I was in), but we have to have a military, or would you prefer to go back to a mandatory militia? As far as your "sniveling" comment, didn't your mother teach you any manners? Nobody is "sniveling" here, if I wanted to, I'm sure that I could find a policy that wouldn't leave us broke every month, but what's the point? When my wife or I need to go to the doctor, I pay for it out of pocket, or make payment arrangements, and over the past 15 years, it's cost me a LOT less than if I'd been paying insurance premiums!

    Libertarian actually, and "greed" is a lie. There's no such thing, unless of course you're a poor-mouthing layabout who's too lazy to provide for yourself and your family, or simply jealous of those who have worked harder or smarter than you, and are enjoying the fruits of their labor.

    That's not the question. The question is why should I pay for your healthcare? Why should the government pay for anyones healthcare? The way things work right now, nobody can be turned away from the hospital or a doctor because they can't afford to pay for it, so cost is a non-issue, and if we're to believe the numbers from the OMB and CBO (which everyone knows are a joke), they're going to end up spending nearly $100,000 per person to get about 1/3 of the "uninsured" covered, and as it stands now, most of them are illegals anyway!
     
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    I think they should not be. To some degree they should be making sure that everything is legal and on the up and up, like they should do for other things. But also it should be state government not federal.

    If a state wants to give everyone health care and tax the holy crap out of them then anyone dumb enough to live in that state can and should, but other states should not be forced. I think it should be a states rights issue.
     
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    Hey Bob, any relation to Tito? :)
     
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    I quite agree with what you said POPEYE {sans the part that I've deleted}.

    It's what makes this country what we have...that we give back to our neighbors/community/state/federal with our taxes to better benefit everyone...not just the 'HAVES'...we take care of the 'HAVE NOTS' too!

    And in doing that we all benefit from the: provisions/capitol improvements/public education/infrastructures/community projects/having a hospital close within our county for emergency purposes/medical doctors within driving distance for our medical needs...

    Doesn't it all balance out...sure there has been and will always be the: 'sponges of society' and the 'worker bees' and the 'wealthy upper crust'. I do not live in Utopia I just want to be able to go get medical help when I 'NEED' it...right now I don't have anything to expect and if the need was there I couldn't afford the doctor office bill! I'm not looking for a hand out but having the opportunity to get a good check up once a year would be greatly appreciated and welcomed!
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree! Over the past 80 years, the socialists at the federal level have shoved so much of their clap-trap down our throats that is none of their business to even be involved in, and now most of our federal taxes are being spent on crap that the feds have no right to spend even one penny of our money on in the first place!

    It's long past time that all of the states invoked their 10th amendment rights, and told the feds to **** off.
     
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    Again, you're ducking the question, under what right does the federal government have anything to do with healthcare? It's not in the Constitution, therefore they're not supposed to be doing it!

    If you want to go to the doctor, GO! Find one that will work with you so that you can make payments, or save up for your physical, it's a lot cheaper than what you'll be paying in insurance!
     
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    If the feds would get out of our hair and let states who want to be more socialist do so and states who want to be more capitalist do so, we would have a better picture of what works best.

    Even now with all the feds interference we can see (at least I can) that the socialist states like Calif and New York exc. are failing horribly. Oregon has a program that gives health care at tax payer expense to everyone under a certain income level if they are here legally or not, its killing us but we do it.

    Other states who take better care of their money are doing far better...

    I do not think that having a comparison is helpful to the socialist cause, thus they feel that they must squash states rights.
     
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    Why don't all of you who want the unisured to have insurance create a fund and all pitch in yourselves to pay for the expense? Why are you so generous with other peoples money that you're willing to force them to contribute but so greedy with your own that such a voluntary "Universal Healthcare Fund" is considered unacceptable?

    Try reading the actual words in the Constitution concerning the "General Welfare" clause, it says the role of the federal government is to PROVIDE for the common defense (so you have to pay for the military even if you disagree with it) but is only charged with PROMOTING the general welfare. If Walter said that you had to PROMOTE the House of Politics website... Would you take that to mean that you should find people without computers, buy them computers and pay for their internet connections in order for them to access the HOP website? Of course not... That would be you PROVIDING others with the things necessary to access the HOP.
     
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    So do fewer visits to emergency-rooms.....​
     
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    Oh, Bob, every time I hear someone misquote that LIE about being turned away from a hospital...I just shake my head and SIGH...are you soooo misinformed or just don't ask?

    Unless the hospital is our county hospital {out here in the RURAL areas of America} you can and will be turned away for any medical procedure: emergency or any other reason {no insurance no admittance}. If the area hospital receives any grant funds {for research/new equipment} from our government then they are obligated to provide assistance to any and all humans needing services and this has to be posted at the entrances of all hospitals receiveing the grants. At one time they were obligated for the next 20 {Hill-Burton Act private non-profit hosiptals} years to provide aide/assistance/any and all medical services to the uninsured humans...I don't know if this is still the case but that's how the grant funding was written up in the 80's - 90's.

    I can't imagine that the grants have changed from this process...but I could be wrong...haven't had the opportunity to do any grant writing in the last 10 years!
     
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    Great post Gen,

    I would donate 5 dollars to the fund if they would leave me the hell out of it there after...
     
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    Public education wasn't written up in the Constitution either and we've amended the guidelines and made it mandatory: Clinging to the founding fathers thoughts and mindset at the time {circa 200 plus years ago} is like comparing the way in which they understood the human anatomy to today's science and medical procedures...we have evolved and we do acquire more knowledge and a greater understanding for social services and the processes that it takes to keep things equal for the masses!

    Our medical providers and private HMO's have had a field day with exuberant charges...we all end up paying for the gouging & the dead beats...one way or another...it comes right back on the backs of the worker B's! You just seem to hate that it's so Black & White!
     
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    Why don't you folks quit your whining & get-back-in-line?

    We Dems had to tolerate 8 years of an expensive War-of-choice. Now, it's your turn.

    That's the way it works.

    You voted....We won.

    Get used to it.

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