One out of 47 million

[Dr.Who]

Please give us just one example of a person who has no access to health care out of the 47 million people used as an excuse to turn our country into a socialism. You must give enough details for the case to be debated and it must not be a video.

This should be easy!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Please give us just one example of a person who has no access to health care out of the 47 million people used as an excuse to turn our country into a socialism.

Yeah....forcing people (who can't afford health-insurance) to rely on the local-ER, for care, is the fi$cally-re$pon$ible-thing-to-do, huh?

I'm sure that "conservatives" would be quite-open to financing that more-expensive option. (Kinda the same way they were crawling-over-top, each other, demanding an end to BUSHCO's tax-cuts, so they could help finance the Iraq War.)

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[Dr.Who]

Yeah....forcing people (who can't afford health-insurance) to rely on the local-ER, for care, is the fi$cally-re$pon$ible-thing-to-do, huh?

I'm sure that "conservatives" would be quite-open to financing that more-expensive option. (Kinda the same way they were crawling-over-top, each other, demanding an end to BUSHCO's tax-cuts, so they could help finance the Iraq War.)

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That is not an example of a person who does not have access to care. It is an example of millions of people who do have access to care even though they can't pay for it. It is not a perfect system but what can you expect from a gov program?

So far: attempts one, real examples zero.

 

[CHAINSAW]

Folks,
I believe we can all agree that something MUST be done regarding the healthcare in the United States and it is time for ALL sides to stop throwing mis-leading and erronous data into the public forum. My basic questions is: If healthcare is such a vital aspect of the Obama Administration, why in God's name is he rushing to have something passed so fast? We all know that when Congress rushes into legislation, and in general, they always screw it up. What needs to be done is a non-partisan group to be convened, with doctors, legal scholars, insurance professionals, one politician from each party and other qualified medical experts to sit down and come up with a comprehensive and cost effective proposal for revamping the entire healthcare process. We cannot continue down the path of inaction, just look at Social Security and its probable demise within the next 15-25 years due to inaction on reform.
Let's stop the rabid back and forth and sit down and come up with a PLAN!

 

[Greco]

"That is not an example of a person who does not have access to care. It is an example of millions of people who do have access to care even though they can't pay for it. It is not a perfect system but what can you expect from a gov program?"

That's a really, really ignorant claim. Our current system is not a government program. Even the "moran" crowd at the Washington protest knew that.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I had no health care, for years, becuse I was Fing Poor. yea college does that to you , and so does 2 crappy jobs.

 

[Little-Acorn]

I had no health care, for years, becuse I was Fing Poor. yea college does that to you , and so does 2 crappy jobs.

So if you'd had a problem during that time, and went to an emergency room, they would have refused you?

BZZZTT... you did have access to health care after all. Whether you chose to use it, is a different matter, and not up to anyone else.

Attempts two, real examples zero.

 

[Dr.Who]

"That is not an example of a person who does not have access to care. It is an example of millions of people who do have access to care even though they can't pay for it. It is not a perfect system but what can you expect from a gov program?"

That's a really, really ignorant claim. Our current system is not a government program. Even the "moran" crowd at the Washington protest knew that.

When Shaman posted about a person getting their care at the ER as the most expensive option we all know he is talking about Medicaid, which is a government plan.

 

[Dr.Who]

I had no health care, for years, becuse I was Fing Poor. yea college does that to you , and so does 2 crappy jobs.

Were you still in college or was his after college? Did you have a job? Did you own more than $2000 worth of stuff? Did you get sick or injured during that time in any way needing treatment?

 

[Pidgey]

Call the county officials in the counties shown in the map here and see if you can find anyone turned away:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-07-immigrants-health_x.htm

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It is not a perfect system but what can you expect from a gov program?

Gee.....how 'bout CONSIDERING THE CO$T$, before IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM??!!!!

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"This $80 billion price-tag is based on two specific provisions where Republicans sold out seniors for their industry contributors. First, they created a confusing web of competing and inefficient private plans run by private insurers—who receive huge $ub$idie$ from the federal government—that beneficiaries must choose from, rather than a simple stand-alone benefit run by Medicare. The low overhead costs of a single administrating agency could save $4.8 billion annually.

Second, they made it illegal for the federal government to negotiate the price of drugs with manufacturers, despite the fact every other industrialized nation negotiates these prices. When the government does negotiate lower prices for bulk drug purchases, as does the Veterans Administration, it saves more than 40 percent compared to the market cost. Applied to Medicare, this would save about $560 billion over the first eight years of the program. The cost of the disastrous Medicare plan is even greater when the subsidies given to insurance companies are factored in."

I guess you'd have to consult The Decider, regarding such a grand-plan.

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[Dr.Who]

Call the county officials in the counties shown in the map here and see if you can find anyone turned away:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-07-immigrants-health_x.htm

The article said nothing about anyone at all being turned away. (though I admit when I started this thread I meant to talk about legal citizens only).

The article did give amply reason to suppose that no one is turned away even illegals:

"In Pima County, Ariz., hospitals reported having to absorb $76 million in treatment costs in 2000, about one-third of it from treating illegal immigrants."

Attempts 3, real examples 0.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The article said nothing about anyone at all being turned away. (though I admit when I started this thread I meant to talk about legal citizens only).

Your headline indicated "47 million". That number was invented by someone a few years ago, who included 15 million or so illegal aliens in his count of people who didn't have their own health insurance, inflating the number as much as possible.

Did you notice that, in Obama's recent Health Care speech, this number suddenly shrank to 36 million, without an explanation?

Obama and his cohorts had long been touting "46 million" or "45 million" or numbers in that range. And at the same time, Obama had been insisting that "his" plan would not cover illegals (despite there being no language in any Democrat bill authorizing anyone to check for immigration status before treating a patient).

Sounds like someone finally got through to him what the numbers he had been quoting, really meant.

But as you pointed out, illegal aliens have been receiving treatment all along, anyway... just as they will under present versions of Obamacare (whichever bill he means).

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Folks,
I believe we can all agree that something MUST be done regarding the healthcare in the United States and it is time for ALL sides to stop throwing mis-leading and erronous data into the public forum. My basic questions is: If healthcare is such a vital aspect of the Obama Administration, why in God's name is he rushing to have something passed so fast? We all know that when Congress rushes into legislation, and in general, they always screw it up. What needs to be done is a non-partisan group to be convened, with doctors, legal scholars, insurance professionals, one politician from each party and other qualified medical experts to sit down and come up with a comprehensive and cost effective proposal for revamping the entire healthcare process. We cannot continue down the path of inaction, just look at Social Security and its probable demise within the next 15-25 years due to inaction on reform.
Let's stop the rabid back and forth and sit down and come up with a PLAN!

because
1. Dems have the majority now
2. the Elections for 2010 mean people will play more politics, the closer to 2010, the less likey it will be to get a bill passed.
3. Those without health care, cant wait for the "right time"
4. they have been working on trying to get heal care reformed since the 90's, its not like its out of the blue.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

So if you'd had a problem during that time, and went to an emergency room, they would have refused you?

BZZZTT... you did have access to health care after all. Whether you chose to use it, is a different matter, and not up to anyone else.

Attempts two, real examples zero.

and guess who would pay for it? Taxpayers! So if I am going to die, and its a big spendy bill you can pay for it...when I was very sick, and not able to work, and all I needed was some anti biotics to fix it...I was not able to get any...I sat at home, not working , thus lossing money I could not afford to not be at work making...Had I had them, I could have been back to work in like 2 days...but nope ended up sick for more like 2 weeks. I was actuly going to resort to getting meds from a freind that had left overs...while very unsafe, it was getting to be my only option...So yes I had the black market to fall back on, how great.

There is no Choice to just get it free you ***** if you could just get it all free, why the Hell do you pay for insurance? lets just all not have insurance, and just show up saying Im sick fix me, and pretend no one realy pays for it.