Only 38% think Obamacare is too liberal.

[Lagboltz]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/05/28/healthcarepoll.pdf
A May 2013 poll by CNN/ORC on Obamacare shows overlooked statistics. The usual quoted statistics on Obamacare are:
Favor 43%
Oppose: 54%
No opinion 3%

However that same poll shows that of those who oppose, 16% say it's not liberal enough.
That means that only 38% oppose it because it's too liberal.

And those that either favor or want Obamacare even more liberal are 59%

 

[Cruella]

What is a liberal medical policy?

 

[Texas_tea]

What is a liberal medical policy?

Whatever the MSM tells the sheeple it is .....

 

[Lagboltz]

What is a liberal medical policy?

It wasn't defined on the questionnaire, so I imagine it was up to each person. However, that isn't the point. No matter how liberal medical policy is defined, those people wanted more change from the old system.

 

[Texas_tea]

It wasn't defined on the questionnaire, so I imagine it was up to each person. However, that isn't the point. No matter how liberal medical policy is defined, those people wanted more change from the old system.

I am not sure what your point is here Lag ....

To start with, CNN is just a propagandist mouth piece for the White House and all normal thinking people know this. Secondly, 934 people sample by a news agency is not exactly real data.

And, yes I am sure Americans are tired of paying so much for their health care but, that by no means, means the American people support this communist power grab known as Obamacare!

 

[Cruella]

It wasn't defined on the questionnaire, so I imagine it was up to each person. However, that isn't the point. No matter how liberal medical policy is defined, those people wanted more change from the old system.

Still confusing. The way you define it, that could go either way, so in that sense it's not a partisan issue.

I would have liked to have seen some changes to healthcare laws (that were presented by Republicans and ignored by the Democrats} that never got a chance to be discussed. One was putting tort reform into it.

One of the big reasons medical costs are so high, is because of the legal liability. That's why some doctors go overboard with expensive/unnecessary tests, not to mention the costs of their liability insurance. Same for others working in the medical field.

But of course lawyers are always trying to drive up business and they write the laws to insure their desires/needs will always be met.

 

[Lagboltz]

Still confusing. The way you define it, that could go either way, so in that sense it's not a partisan issue.

I would have liked to have seen some changes to healthcare laws (that were presented by Republicans and ignored by the Democrats} that never got a chance to be discussed. One was putting tort reform into it.

One of the big reasons medical costs are so high, is because of the legal liability. That's why some doctors go overboard with expensive/unnecessary tests, not to mention the costs of their liability insurance. Same for others working in the medical field.

But of course lawyers are always trying to drive up business and they write the laws to insure their desires/needs will always be met.

That's right. I don't think it's a partisan issue. I also agree that tort reform is sadly missing. I would go further than just tort reform. Hospitals are abusing medicare because unnecessary tests are driven by their need to make patients use their expensive diagnostic machines and charge outlandish fees.

This is one reason why a more sane health care system wasn't enacted:
http://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf
“According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the pharmaceutical and health-care-product industries, combined with organizations representing doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, health services and HMOs, have spent $5.36 billion since 1998 on lobbying in Washington. That dwarfs the $1.53 billion spent by the defense and aerospace industries and the $1.3 billion spent by oil and gas interests over the same period. That’s right: the health-care-industrial complex spends more than three times what the military-industrial complex spends in Washington.”

 

[Lagboltz]

I am not sure what your point is here Lag ....

To start with, CNN is just a propagandist mouth piece for the White House and all normal thinking people know this. Secondly, 934 people sample by a news agency is not exactly real data.

Of course you’re not sure of the point. It's statistics. A sample size of around 1000 is standard for most polls. That gives a standard deviation of 3%. To cut the uncertainty by half would require a poll size of 4000. That is very seldom done in polls of this type.

ORC International did the survey. They are not connected with the white house

And, yes I am sure Americans are tired of paying so much for their health care but, that by no means, means the American people support this communist power grab known as Obamacare!

Of course it does not mean that. I am not claiming that. What ORC International is claiming is that 43% favor Obamacare and another 16% would like to see it go further. That totals 59%. It seems that your conclusion is that 59% of the people support communism. Absurd.

Whatever the MSM tells the sheeple it is .....

You have a habit of putting what you think are derisive words in sentences that don't have any intelligent content. That seems to be a standard truthiness with the tea party sheep.

 

[Cruella]

That seems to be a standard truthiness with the tea party sheep.

So what is your opinion of the ACA?

Do you believe that it's NOT designed to be socialize medicine, controlled by the Federal Government? Do believe that socialized medicine IS NOT a form of communism?

Lenin; "Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state".

The other two pillars were controlling education and banks.

Looks like we are there.

 

[Texas_tea]

So what is your opinion of the ACA?

Do you believe that it's NOT designed to be socialize medicine, controlled by the Federal Government? Do believe that socialized medicine IS NOT a form of communism?

... Ha .... You are way over the head of our sheeple friend on this one!

Lenin; "Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state".

Let's see ...... there is normally a term used to describe Communist sympathizers in the West: “useful” because they advance Communist ideology, “idiots” because they contribute to their own downfall.

Oh, yes ...... Useful Idiots: Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

The other two pillars were controlling education and banks.

Looks like we are there.

I am sure he will have a hard time finding talking points off the MSM sites to answer that one .....

 

[Lagboltz]

So what is your opinion of the ACA?

Do you believe that it's NOT designed to be socialize medicine, controlled by the Federal Government? Do believe that socialized medicine IS NOT a form of communism?

Lenin; "Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state".

The other two pillars were controlling education and banks.

Looks like we are there.

Medicare and Medicaid often carries the tag of “socialized medicine”. I consider ACA to be highly regulatory rather than socialistic because the hospitals will still be autonomous. Insurance companies will still be plentiful and competitive. The hospitals and insurance companies are not owned by the state as they would be in communism. Nor will the staff be paid or controlled by the state.

I'm on Medicare and love it. It is much better than dealing with the enormous nit-picking of insurance companies. People with affordable (poor coverage) insurance or no insurance have to deal with the egregious chargemaster hospital fees.

As far as banks, it is the same thing. The banks are regulated, but not owned by the state. The housing bubble was caused by lack of regulation. The banks should not be allowed to do stupid things like bury iffy mortgages in derivatives and call them safe.

If you have a better plan than government regulation of hospitals and banks, I would like to hear it.

I have no opinion on education because I don't have kids.

 

[cashmcall]

Medicare and Medicaid often carries the tag of “socialized medicine”. I consider ACA to be highly regulatory rather than socialistic because the hospitals will still be autonomous. Insurance companies will still be plentiful and competitive. The hospitals and insurance companies are not owned by the state as they would be in communism. Nor will the staff be paid or controlled by the state.

I'm on Medicare and love it. It is much better than dealing with the enormous nit-picking of insurance companies. People with affordable (poor coverage) insurance or no insurance have to deal with the egregious chargemaster hospital fees.

As far as banks, it is the same thing. The banks are regulated, but not owned by the state. The housing bubble was caused by lack of regulation. The banks should not be allowed to do stupid things like bury iffy mortgages in derivatives and call them safe.

If you have a better plan than government regulation of hospitals and banks, I would like to hear it.

I have no opinion on education because I don't have kids.

In the two-plus years since President Obama signed his signature healthcare legislation into law, Aetna’s stock price has risen by one third, UnitedHealth’s has increased by 65 percent, and Humana’s has jumped more than three-fourths. “It pays to be one of the few sellers of a product the government is going to force everyone to buy and provides subsides to help them do it...I have done well owning two of these...

 

[Lagboltz]

... Ha .... You are way over the head of our sheeple friend on this one!

Let's see ...... there is normally a term used to describe Communist sympathizers in the West: “useful” because they advance Communist ideology, “idiots” because they contribute to their own downfall.

Oh, yes ...... Useful Idiots: Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

I am sure he will have a hard time finding talking points off the MSM sites to answer that one .....

You are acting like a troll.

 

[Cruella]

Medicare and Medicaid often carries the tag of “socialized medicine”. I consider ACA to be highly regulatory rather than socialistic...

Medicare and medicaid are perfect examples of half socialist and half market programs with the government pulling the strings through regulations and caps. Then they add more regulations on top of more regulations causing products and services to be less efficient, less innovative, less available and more expensive in the long run through all the bureaucratic hurdles.

You talk about Medicare being great. Well my doctor won't take medicare patients. The reimbursement for a level 2 office visit paid to the doctor is about $40.

Years ago, when working in cost accounting, we figured out it cost the company approximately $50 to process and administer the paperwork just for the invoicing. Not including all the other departments and hands required to fill orders.

I've heard doctors say that they don't make any money on medicare patients and have to make it up in other areas, which practically forces health care providers to be less than honest in oder to stay in business It's no surprise to me why insurance and medical costs are so high. The more government regulations and bureacatic red tape you throw in to gum up the works, the more it's going to cost everyone in the long run. And who gets called the bad guy and who's butt is on the line for bad government? The doctors and the free market.

 

[dogtowner]

Medicare and medicaid are perfect examples of half socialist and half market programs with the government pulling the strings through regulations and caps. Then they add more regulations on top of more regulations causing products and services to be less efficient, less innovative, less available and more expensive in the long run through all the bureaucratic hurdles.

You talk about Medicare being great. Well my doctor won't take medicare patients. The reimbursement for a level 2 office visit paid to the doctor is about $40.

Years ago, when working in cost accounting, we figured out it cost the company approximately $50 to process and administer the paperwork just for the invoicing. Not including all the other departments and hands required to fill orders.

I've heard doctors say that they don't make any money on medicare patients and have to make it up in other areas, which practically forces health care providers to be less than honest in oder to stay in business It's no surprise to me why insurance and medical costs are so high. The more government regulations and bureacatic red tape you throw in to gum up the works, the more it's going to cost everyone in the long run. And who gets called the bad guy and who's butt is on the line for bad government? The doctors and the free market.

Your doc needs better billing software.