I beg to differ. You still have not answered the questions I posed.
Fine I will go back and answer all of your questions even though I already answered the only important one. But it is going to get really long and off point.
The proof as you put it is there. How many times does one have to point out that the nonacceptance of Gays stems from a passage in biblical law, which has since been used as a tool to class homosexuals as an abomination.
The non-acceptance of gays stems from many things. People and cultures that do not believe in the bible also do not accept gays.
But yes many people do not accept gays based on these passages. I have argued against these interpretations of these passages.
The fact that you embrace religious doctrine and pray for homosexuals as by their nature they, according to church doctrine break biblical law, you are complicit and therefore bigoted, you cannot be anything else.
Religious doctrine is not one big monolithic thing. There are many many independent statements in the bible. I embrace what I think is thebest interpretation of the bible. I do not happen to believe that the bible teaches to hate gay people. I also do not believe that the passages say what many others say they say. So, no I am not complicit. I argue against that point of view whenever those passages come up.
The fact that the bible is extremely selective in the biblical laws it (and you along with it, by embracing said religion) decides to maintain in unaltered condition the law which states that Homosexuality is an abomination, whilst completely ignoring and failing to advocate, or practice so much of biblical law, that it deems 'sinful' or deems an abomination is hypocrisy and without doubt sinful in itself.
I do not believe the bible says homosexuality as practiced today is an abomination and what it describes from long ago just like eating shrimp is not applicable.
Your mind is closed because you are not willing to consider this logical and rational deduction.
I have already considered it and found that the best interpretation of the bible does not lead to that trap.
I am discriminating against you, when my points are based on truth?
Except that you misunderstand me and the bible and other christians.
You are making huge assumptions here yourself my friend, you have nothing with which to back this up, more hypocrisy considering you have just accused me of the same.
I could easily go on the web and find examples of other christians who do not find that homosexuality as practiced today is an abomination. There are whole gay churches.
Arguing against and admonishing the use of specific passages does not exclude you and others like you from being an inherent bigot. no matter how many times you say it, see above.
Then go ahead and show one of my bigoted statements.
How can you or they be accepting, when they feel the need to pray to 'change' them, but do not feel the need to pray for the billions of others who break biblical law every single day?
Because the conference was provided for those gay people and their families who were unhappy with being gay. Did you hear that? The conference "Love won out" is specifically
for those gay people who "struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions" The article provided a link that could easily be googled to get you to the home page of the conference where you would have found that.
So gay people who don't want to be gay could go there to get prayer. And if they are
struggling with
unwanted same sex attractions then by definition they would qualify as "in pain" which is where this all began.
Do you deny that you wish through your belief systems that homosexuals would see the light, do you think homosexuals along with their sexual preferences have every right to be considered as normal as you or I?
I personally thing that being gay is better than being greedy. Considering the amount of fetishes and other sexual preference out there they are just as normal as anyone else. I would love for gay people to see the light and come to love God. Whatever happens after that is between Him and them.
You are worse than hypocritical actually, you state they are NOT sins, but you felt the compelling need to point them all out to me regardless.
Well duh, the list included things that would demonstrate my understanding of the gay community - it's ups and downs. One cannot truly understand the gay community until one understands that just about everyone who is an active part of it has lost a friend to aids. Hence the description of the high aids rate.
You really still do not get it do you? But for the adherence to biblical law regarding homosexuals, homosexuality would not be seen as anything other than normal.
Not really. There are lots of people in non bible countries that hate gays. You need to look elsewhere if you want a universal scapegoat.
The pain and suffering you keep repeating, that is not necessarily connected to being homosexual, equally applies to any other member of society, we all experience some pain and suffering in our lives, so again it is not relevant.
It is relevant when the conference is being offered only to those who are experiencing pain. The others can just not go if they don't want to. It is relevant since no one prays for the pain of those who don't have any.
If you are not a bigot, if you accept them, why do you feel the service to self need to have such ardent compassion for them, to pray for in particular, when the only people responsible for the majority of their suffering is the religious doctrine you embrace in the first place? How many times can you keep denying that you are, in just being a part of organised religion you ARE complicit.
I don't pray for gay people I know any more or less than others.
And no the ONLY responsible people are not the religious people. Suffering comes form many different people and even many circumstance not related to people.
All members of an organized religion do not put on their conformity hats the minute they walk through a church door.
How many times and in how many ways do I need to spell it out for you, person blindness again.
Well you could read the article that started this or go on the net and find just one example of something done by this church that is bigoted. Assuming without waver that all church people are bigots is well bigoted.
Evidence...read my posts with your blinkers off.
Give us something specific instead of discriminatory generalities.
