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Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by mdiyp, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. mdiyp

    mdiyp New Member

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    Ok everyone needs to get your head out of you know what, if you think that DEM are voting for the person instead of the party then you are very very mistaken you need to go back to political school, the bottom line is this the DEM would vote for a monkey if that was the nomination. Look people we all yell about change, change will never come as long as we are electing people who are older then mosses to be president and in congress, you want change then we need a political revolution we need a complete government change, because is long as we have people in congress that were there when GOD said let there be light then change will never come.

    We have people that have been in congress and the sen. from the revolutionary war, but we as a society don't have the balls enough to change that. So when these people in the government vote they first have to change there hearing aids so that they can hear what is being voted on, then in order to speak the need to have there dentures cleaned while they are at the podium. And people wonder why it takes so long for congress to vote on a bill, hell one vote takes over two hours because that is how long it take for the old politician to walk down with his/her cane.

    And you wonder why we are having problem in America.

    You want change then change the whole government not just on position.
     
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    Most votes are open for 5 minutes. Major votes you will see a fifteen minute vote or so, maybe with it being left open for up to around 30 minutes.

    Congress takes awhile to vote because of the structure of Congress, not because there are old people there.

    Further, what form of government structure would you be advocating?
     
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    5 mins, i don't know what congress you have been watching when the vote for the bail out bill was put out it took a most 2 hours for everyone to vote. 5 MIN maybe back in the 1800s.

    Ok then tell that to people who have elected Ted I am too old to remember crap Kennedy, and several others who have been in congress sence the 1970 or in our case 1870s. So your point while very well put has not ground, if we want change then we need to elect younger people who have seen the issues out here and who are not afraid to speake there minds and retire the old people.
     
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    Also you ask me what kind of government, well right now we have a government much like communist, you ask me how, just think about it, the government is trying to take over health care, they have now taken over wall street. They have already told us what we can or can not say over the radio and TV, what’s next. The last time i looked we went to war to stop communist not practice it. So i would put people in the government who will back up what that say or how they vote, and not people who vote one way then when ask about it will never admit the voted for it. Also people who are not afraid to answer a yes or no question with YES or NO not speak in circles and never answer the question.
     
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    I worked in Congress not that long ago, votes typically are called and last 5 minutes or so. The bailout vote recently was called as a 15 minutes vote and was left open until about 30 when they saw it would fail. The second one lasted 15 minutes.

    I am all for electing young members, but the structure of Congress is such that you can bring in a new member, and they will have no influence. This is especially true in the House. In the Senate it is a bit different, perhaps you were referring to them on vote times? They do not leave votes open for 2 hours either for the most part.

    I can understand being frustrated that Congress is slow and deliberate in their actions, but the time it takes to actual vote is not that long.
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    ...........:D they wouldn't last 10 minutes in the job then
     
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    I understand what you are saying about younger people in congress, but when you have old congressmen and congresswomen in the house and sen. they are set in there ways from the old time, so how can we move forward without getting rid of the old way of thinking as they do. Everyone *****es about change but how can change really happen if these people are not willing to change there ways. Tell me that.
     
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    Well, I am not "*****ing" about change....

    But aside from that, you cannot just change an organization like Congress overnight. I personally am not convinced the "old way" of thinking in Congress is really all that bad. The perception of it is terrible, but in reality, Congress is Congress, and will operate mostly the same even if you change out all the members.
     
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    Yes i agree that changing out member may not change anything in congress, however, I am tired of people always ***** about change but do not have the balls to push for it when ask in public. I don't care about the old way of thinking we as a nation need to change just like technology if we don't then we are going to be left behind.
     
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    .........politics is a process of evolution! Look at the greens for example, 20 years ago they were regarded as bunch of tree hugging hippies and Greenpeace was little more than some group of environmentalist reactionaries sabotaging power stations. Now they are respected as an alternative political force and in some cases can hold the balance of power like the Green Party in Germany.
     
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    Yes the green party has come far, but as with all the political parties you have people set in there ways, they are to old to change there mind and to staburn to care. And we as a people are to scared to make such a change. But we are the first to ***** about change. So where is the middle ground as long as money controls congress, things will never change. And for those out there who work for congress if you try to tell me it is not about money, then you need to run for pres. because that person is telling the biggest lie out there. Just look at the bail out bill they say its about keep money in the pockets of the people in the US, but it is really keep the politicans fat dump and happy, because if they really cared then tell me how a CEO can work for a bank that is failling for 3 weeks and get a severance package of over 19 mill. and the government is not doing anything about it. That is just one ex. there are many others but i don't have the time to list them all.
     
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    if you want to vote for a half breed, city planning, only two years in senate experience, never been in the military, cut taxes but spend trillians more, wont say the pledge of alligence, muslim… go ahead, but my vote is 100% McCain/Palin. McCain is 100% american, has triple the experience, military experience, not the mention a POW who wouldnt come home early when given the chance because there were POWs who were susposed to leave first. and you say palin has no experiece… shes the chief in command of the national guard… these are the two i want protecting my country… open your eyes amarica… obama is the worst thing that could ever happen to this country… f-n muslim, hes muslim friends are probably planning a takover of this country when he steps into office.

    i would much rather have the government we have now than a socialist government that obama want to throw on us! and his partner lied 16 in the debate with palin... 16! what will he tell us when he's VP? why should cut military spending? the way i see it, this country is bush's house... when those ****ers ran OUR planes into OUR buildings, bush stepped up and did what he had to do to protect his house. has anything happened since then? NO! unlike when clinton was in office and they ran into our ship and blew a whole in the isde of it, they were just seeing how hard they could push before we pushed back! our dem president then didnt have the balls to step up to the plate. i remember when the planes hit the towers and all ages were inlisting in the military to go kill some mother f-ers, but here we are 7 years later and dont seem to remember why we are over there in the first place... the one thing i dont agree with in the war is that we shouldnt be rebuilding their towns... they sure didnt rebuild our towers! f- them! kill them all and take their gas! thats just my two cents take it how you want it. but mark my words... obama is the last person we want in charge of this country... its said that the world will end with politcal chaios... obama might as well tatoo 666 on his forhead!
     
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    Thank you for so pointedly illustrating a point I've been trying to make in other threads....the GOP is literally seething with hate.

    BTW, I'm not being sarcastic, you do have my appreciation..please continue with your tirades, they teach us all a valuable lesson, maybe not quite the lesson you had in mind but a learning experience nonetheless.
     
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    so your saying that if someone came into your house and killed your family for no reason, you wouldnt do anything about it to ensure that it didnt happen again?


    btw...if we really want to change america and get out of all this debt we have gotten ourselves in, we need to take a fine toothed comb through wellfare, food stamps and government housing.... it is been taken advantage of for too long.... a singe black woman with one kid getting a twelve hundred dollar check every month on top of $800 food stamps a month, plus wic and living in a house that my taxes are paying for, while shes driving a lexus or a navigator doesnt make any sense.. meanwhile my grandmother is 75 yrs old trying to stay afloat with social security, which by the way isnt ****... and she can only recieve $12 a month in food stamps to keep food in her mouth.

    and obama want to increase the wellfare and foodstamps... we just need to reform it... give it to them at a reasonable amount for 6 months... if you arent holding a job is 6 months and havent tried... kick their ass on the street. if you have tried and can show documentation then allow them to keep it for 3 more months... if you get fired froma job during that time, its not my fault.. sounds like you werent trying hard enough! get another one and do better... im tired of people riding my taxes to live a easier life than me! we dont owe anyone anything anymore...we are all equal here!
     
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    Hardly anyone these days isn't a "half breed" in some sense of the term. Looking down my hallway here at home I find at least two people with mixed Irish/English heritages, which is awkward from a historical point of view.

    Oh, and "half breed" is hardly very polite.

    City planning? Do you mean "community organizing?"

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's two more years than you, yes?

    Hardly a requisite for being President of the United States. In fact, some of our best presidents were non-military - and some of our worst were ex-soldiers.

    This is my main point of contention with Obama - in fact, the only point of contention I have with him that you have brought up.

    And were he to be elected, would you swear your allegiance to him and his government? Something tells me that the answer would be "no," but you can lie if you'd like.

    Sigh. He's not a Muslim. And even if he was, I think the perspective of a Muslim American could be enormously beneficial in the White House.

    As is your right.

    What does it mean to be 100% American when America today is only 66% white, like John McCain, when the median income for males is $32,000, significantly lower than John McCain's 2007 income of $405,000, when McCain's status as a rich, top-tier politician places him in the very upper class, comprising (conservatively) 5% of the population, according to Leonard Beeghley's class models - and that is being extremely generous, as McCain could just as easily fit the super-rich profile that encompasses only 0.9% of the population. Even his age sets him apart, as only 12% of Americans today are over the age of 65.

    Undeniably he does. Much of that experience was as the "maverick" that the campaign is now trying to push him as - the only catch being that the John McCain who would cross party lines to get things done when he felt it was necessary has been usurped by the John McCain who crosses party lines to get more votes. In short, he used to be the one of very few men in Washington whom I believed really conducted his affairs without bothering to overexamine how it was going to look to the public, but now he's become the stereotype of politicians that we all know and hate.

    Grant had military experience - even more than McCain has - and yet his Presidency was a collection of disasters at that time unseen in American politics.

    He is certainly an honorable man. That is not in question. Whether it's this or attempting to talk down the attack dogs running the slur mill against Obama, McCain has always been a man of deep personal integrity. His political integrity, as I've already stated, has been compromised by this campaign.

    I can remember, three or four years ago, talking with a friend about how I'd have gladly voted for John McCain ahead of both George Bush and John Kerry. At the time, he was the one man in politics that I would have picked to lead this nation. Now...now, not so much.

    Well, she does live close to Russia.

    Hey, wait, didn't Obama live in Indonesia?

    And yet, she doesn't seem to do a whole lot in that capacity:

    http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515499.html

    Of course, if you have evidence to the contrary, please bring it forth.

    Yes, open your eyes, "amarica."

    The only time I stop being amused by people who view one politician or another as "the worst thing that could ever happen to this country" is when they become tiresome. The anti-Bush crowd managed it pretty quickly, but since we haven't had as many "Obama is the Anti-Christ" threads lately I'll stick with laughter at this one.

    Once again, that's not very polite. Perhaps some day you'll meet a Muslim and be able to discern that they are, like you and I, human beings.

    For the last time: Barack Obama is not a Muslim, not that being a Muslim would require any particular line of action anyway. I wasn't around for the election of John F. Kennedy, but I'm told that many of the same religious arguments were put forward about his Catholicism.
     
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