Pravda: American Decent Into Marxism

Yeah, but when you think about it, this totally makes sense. The Russians lived through socialism. They understand what a disaster it is. They have lived through food rationing, and gulags, and economic poverty while living in one of the most resource rich lands in all the Earth.

Not only that, but they are moving away from socialism, and reaping the rewards of Capitalism and free-market enterprise. Not only are they seeing it, but they are watching China, one of their closest economic ideological neighbors, doing the same and reaping the massive rewards of free-market Capitalism. They are seeing it first hand, in their country, in our generation.

Meanwhile, Americans have never experienced the oppression of socialism, and have no idea what's going on. They don't see the long term cost of nationalization, only the short term "the economy is bad, and it's Bush's fault somehow".

It was just like the energy crisis under Carter, when Russian economist pointed out that gas lines and product shortages were a normal part of Russian socialist life. In America, it was billed as "evil corporations".


I think Americans have become utterly stupid. This crap was forced for the most part on the rest of the world and we are asking for it like it was candy or something.

I have never been so disappointed in my fellow Americans as I have been the last few months.

I guess we get what we deserve. People like you and Gen and Rob and many others don’t deserve what we are getting but I suppose its like the Army and we all get punished for someone else stupid choice.
 
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Interesting article. Here is some more from Pravda.RU:


Hellish hairy sea monster cast ashore

Chastity belts become more popular with modern men

France unveils secret images of aliens and their spaceships



And here is more from the author, Stanislav Mishin:

The West raped Russia


Starting with pressure on the Yeltsin regime and with hand picked oligarchs and bureaucrats as intermediaries, it has been estimated that the West has ripped as much as $500 Billion (that's with a capital "B") from Russia, in the form of resources, money, equipment and treasures, from 1991 to 1999.

A read of Mr. Misin's works, along with a perusal of Pravda.RU could prove very entertaining.
 
PLC,

What to you, if anything, is recognizable as Socialism or Socialist policy?

Is spreading the wealth a socialist concept?

Is using the tax code as a tool for 'social justice' (as opposed to taxes being used to specifically to fund government expenses), a socialist concept?

Is setting minimum and maximum wages a socialist concept?

Exactly what would an administration have to do, short of flying the hammer and sickle over the white house, in order for you to consider thier actions socialist?
 
I do like where the nation is heading, and we need a little bit more socialism very much. Maybe that could prevent some of the erosion of the middle class that has taken place in the past 30 years.
Are you drunk? We need more socialism. Go live somwhere else if you want more socialism. Chavez needs some more folks on his dole.

All those people who want socialism need to wake up. Because when the folks with the money run out of money or get it all "stolen", nobody is getting anything. No free healthcare, no free car, no free house, no govt job with benefits. Nothing.. Nada.

Then what? Are we just going to "crap" money!

If socialism works so well, why is Venezuela such a mess?
 
If capitalism works so well, then why are we in such a mess right now?

Capitalism does work well, its the ultimate form of Democracy because we can vote every day, multiple times a day, with our wallets. Competition creates innovation and improvements, state monopolies breed corruption, inefficiency and deficits.

What we have is not Capitalism. What we have is a "mixed economy" and just as we need a separation of church and state, we also need to have a separation of economy and state. Government has no purpose outside of protecting us from force and fraud to be involved in the economy. The more "involved" they get, the worse things become... and people like you blame "Capitalism" for the subsequent failures of government.

The Fed was created with the promise that they could eliminate the cycle of boom and bust economies (what Obama is promising to eliminate through his policies) and yet the cycles became even more severe once the Fed took control. Despite the abysmal failures of the Fed, as well as other institutions and politicians promising financial security in trade for our economic freedoms, the American people continue to give these people and institutions ever greater power over our lives.
 
PLC,

What to you, if anything, is recognizable as Socialism or Socialist policy?

Is spreading the wealth a socialist concept?

Is using the tax code as a tool for 'social justice' (as opposed to taxes being used to specifically to fund government expenses), a socialist concept?

Is setting minimum and maximum wages a socialist concept?

Exactly what would an administration have to do, short of flying the hammer and sickle over the white house, in order for you to consider thier actions socialist?

Does that relate in some way to my post, or is it simply an academic question?

Socialism is government control of the means of production.

If "spreading the wealth" via a graduated income tax is socialism, then the US has been socialistic for as long as I can remember, but no, that has nothing to do with government control of the means of production.

The feds taking over GM just might be socialist, especially if they maintain control over it.

Now, can we talk about hellish hairy sea monsters? It's so much more fun, you know.
 
Have you ever waited a long time on the phone to tallk to your ISP, or any other service provider, when you have a problem? How is that different from the long lines of socialism?
 
Does that relate in some way to my post, or is it simply an academic question?
It just seems you excuse or dismiss anything short of a communist flag waving parade goose-stepping down the street as being something other than socialist.

Also, your definition of socialism is far too narrow. With the subject of life, the definition cannot be broadened large enough to please you but when its socialism, only the most narrow of definitions do you find acceptable.

If you want to discuss hairy sea monsters in a way that relates to America's decent into marxism, then be my guest... I'd be interested to see you make that connection.
 
Have you ever waited a long time on the phone to tallk to your ISP, or any other service provider, when you have a problem? How is that different from the long lines of socialism?

Because I can change service providers without having to move out of the country. There is competition among the private sector, the government run monopolies have no such competition and nothing good comes from that.
 
If capitalism works so well, then why are we in such a mess right now?
........capitalism is a mass of interconnecting strands of economics, industrialisation, philosophy, sociology etc etc., so to propose that capitalism is or is not working is a to miss a slightly wider point that certain elements of it are or are not functioning within the overall. The mess as you say was created because certain elements misunderstood "risk" within a free market framework.

Pravda's article is quite amusing but perhaps should not be taken to literally.
 
It just seems you excuse or dismiss anything short of a communist flag waving parade goose-stepping down the street as being something other than socialist.

Also, your definition of socialism is far too narrow. With the subject of life, the definition cannot be broadened large enough to please you but when its socialism, only the most narrow of definitions do you find acceptable.

If you want to discuss hairy sea monsters in a way that relates to America's decent into marxism, then be my guest... I'd be interested to see you make that connection.

The American descent into socialism was reported in Pravda.ru, the same blog that discusses hairy sea monsters, along with space aliens, and other similar things. Did you check our my links?
 
Does that relate in some way to my post, or is it simply an academic question?

Socialism is government control of the means of production.

If "spreading the wealth" via a graduated income tax is socialism, then the US has been socialistic for as long as I can remember, but no, that has nothing to do with government control of the means of production.

The feds taking over GM just might be socialist, especially if they maintain control over it.

Now, can we talk about hellish hairy sea monsters? It's so much more fun, you know.

Once again, the idea that a country can suddenly "pop" and be socialist, or "snap" become capitalist, is false.

A policy can be socialist, or capitalist, regardless of what the overall nationally dominated policy might be.

For example... In the Congo, the government has made extensive efforts to free up the national economy, giving wide freedom to build businesses, invest, and sell things on a free, and even international market. No question, this is Capitalism.

However... the Congo government has continued a policy of state owned utilities, namely the electric company. One of the biggest problems with the development of domestic industry, is the lack of a stable reliable source of power. No one will invest into power intensive industries when they can't trust the power will be on. This is obviously a socialist policy.

So is the Congo capitalist or socialist? Well state owned electric company is clearly socialist. Private business and free markets, is clearly capitalist. So it is possible for a country to have both types of policies.

In the USA, we have a state owned and operated mail service. We have a state owned mortgage company. We have a state owned health service, retirement fund, and now some banks and car companies. Yet we have some free markets, and private business.

Very few, if any, countries have a 100% complete capitalist system. Namely because people resent the systems that make them wealthy, and inherently vote to hinder themselves.

But specifically to income tax. An inherent part of capitalism, is the reward for success, whatever it might be. The right of property, whatever you own. Progressive income tax, is an affront to that end. Taking a larger and larger portion of someone elses rightful earnings, hinders the capitalist system.

It stems from the immoral belief that we should all be equal, even if we don't work the same, or do what someone really finds valuable. It stems from greed and envy of those who sacrificed to earn more, while they did not, and do not.

Economically speaking, it causes less money to be available for investment. It promotes moving wealth away from America. Some remember a tax on the yachting industry, which caused the industry to almost completely close down. The rich simply bought their yachts from other countries.

Similarly, high taxes on the rich cause the rich to move their income into other things, or other countries. Bank accounts in Luxembourg for example. Or to take stock options instead of cash. Or use other deduction. Or have free use of corporate jets. In any case, the cash disappeared instead of being invested back into the US.

It's ironic that former soviet bloc states, who lived through the poverty and economic crash of Socialism, have nearly all adopted flat taxes at very low rates, while the US who doesn't know the dangers of socialism, is adopting an every increasing progressive tax. For those who don't know, Russia has adopted a flat tax of 13% for all income levels. Rich to poor, they all pay the same % in taxes.
 
The American descent into socialism was reported in Pravda.ru, the same blog that discusses hairy sea monsters, along with space aliens, and other similar things. Did you check our my links?

Reputable news source would never have stories about UFO's or Sea Monsters... like MSNBC.

Dozens in Texas town report seeing UFO

Deep-sea monster caught on tape

Well thank you so much for discrediting this source. I was worried that we were going the way of the soviet union but now that you have discredited the source of the accusation, I can rest assured that all is well with America!

Rejoice people! For we are not in massive debt, we are not running massive deficits, we are not greatly expanding the welfare state, we are not nationalizing private business and industry, we are not losing more of our freedoms on a daily basis, we are not simply printing money with which to buy our own bonds because other nations don't want them... Those were all things that Russia did prior to their collapse and thanks to PLC discrediting Pravda for posts about sea monsters and UFO's, we can ignore their silly claim that America is following the same path that collapsed Russia.

Please PLC, I beg of you... Discredit all the news media outlets who are falsely claiming we are racking up massive debt, running massive deficits, expanding the welfare state, nationalizing private trusts, usurping the rights of the people and the ever insidious claim that we are monetizing our debt.
 
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........capitalism is a mass of interconnecting strands of economics, industrialisation, philosophy, sociology etc etc., so to propose that capitalism is or is not working is a to miss a slightly wider point that certain elements of it are or are not functioning within the overall. The mess as you say was created because certain elements misunderstood "risk" within a free market framework.

Pravda's article is quite amusing but perhaps should not be taken to literally.

Scotsman, WTH do you think you are doing trying to bring a balanced viewpoint, sense, and sanity into this discussion? Don't you know that kind of commentary has no place on this forum?
 
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