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Putin still in charge, Bush still clueless

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by pocketfullofshells, Aug 12, 2008.

  1. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    As the conflict flames with Russia basicly cutting Georgia's nation in half and bombing its Capital. Who do we see speaking for Russia and meeting with Bush and such? Dmitry Medvedev? no he is simply the president..its Putin that we see. Odd because he is not longer the president...its almost like he really is the one in charge ( yay fake Democracy). And when we see Bush , its sooo very clear he has no clue what he is doing. He stands seeming to not even grasp what is going on...then just casually chatting with Putin at the Olympics, then starts to talk tough but has basically zero to back up anything. This is the same man who looks into Putin's eyes and saw a man he can trust. I guess its just me but I never trust the KGB , even more so the top dogs of the KGB. They are trained to make you trust them...Bush fell for it.

    The Republic of Georgia will be shattered, part of it if not all taken by force back into Russian power, and yet not only are we doing nothing, but after 8 years of Bush, we cant realy even do somethingif we wanted to.
     
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    Libsmasher New Member

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    As if you appeasers would WANT to do anything even if we could. :D
     
  3. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    thank you for those inspiring remarks showing your great knowledge of nothing.

    anyone have anything of value to ad?
     
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    I'm pretty sure Georgia called and got the White House answering machine... Sorry we're all tied up Nation Building in Iraq right now but your call is important to us. Please leave your name and disaster and we'll get riiiight back to ya.

    And did ya see how China blew us off over human rights issues when Bush dared bring it up? Something like... You George Bush go way an torture in own hidden prison camps. Waterboarding is no going to be Olympic sport. Maybe you go visit Guantanamo!

    We have almost zero credibility or standing with some mighty big countries because George Bush wanted to play shoot 'em up Cowboy and break all the International rules.

    I really wonder what all the torture lovers that supported those wing nuts Bush & Cheney will say when it's some of our guys being held somewhere without trials, being waterboarded and stood up on buckets naked with electrodes clipped to their nipples with wires ran down to a battery or having dogs put on 'em for interrogation purposes.

    Some country that we can't just invade and take over like say a China or a Russia. You know a situation where we're forced to just sit by and wait & wait for them to decide if our guys ever get to go home and how much torture they have to endure. Won't be so frickin' hilarious and macho then will it?

    But it will still be our guys & gals our sons & daughters paying the price because our leader was a complete & utter idiot and the Republican's saw no need for anything like the Geneva Convention or fair trials.

    They make me sick because they've now set up our own guys for much worse treatment in the future!
     
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    Libsmasher New Member

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    YOUR inspiring remarks so far:

    - Russia is a fake democracy. (GOSH! Ya think???? :eek:)

    - A throwaway pissy but obligatory Bush defamation.
     
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    It appears to me, that none of you have applied logic and reason regarding this Georgia/Russia skirmish.

    Why would Russia out of the blue, suddenly invade Georgia? Surely you understand that although Russia would certainly like to see Georgia back in the fold, they are most definitely not stupid.

    Think about how this how debacle came about for a minute and it should all makes sense to you.

    Georgia invaded Ossettia, the Russians have done what any other country would do in such circumstances.

    I see the hand of the US and Israel here, when one considers the geography and developments involved.
     
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    You are REALLy confused. The territory was a long-existeing part of Georgia when it was carved out by the occupying soviets in 1922. Upon the dissolution of the soviet union, Georgia reclaimed it's territory. The SOUTH Ossetians declared independence. With its renewed power and huge oil wealth, the russians BUTTED IN to the situation, as part of their campaign to drag the western liberated former soviet republics back into its control. Of course, they start with the weakest.
     
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    Personally I would not be shocked to find the KGB set up everything as a excuse to move in, they have done in before in the past in this area, with fake terror attacks and such. And its a simple fact that Georgia moved on something in its own official borer...Russia had no right to move in.
     
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    No I am not confused at all actually.

    I was referring to this latest skirmish, not the past. I am sick of mainstream media sources (especially in the US) completely ignoring 'what really happened'. The truth of the matter is, that the whole thing kicked off when Georgian troops launched a massive assault on the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

    When Saakashvili took power, he pledged to the Georgian people that he would return the country's separatist regions back into Georgia's fold. He succeeded with another Black Sea breakaway region, Ajaria, where he ousted a Moscow backed separatist leader in 2004.

    This is not democracy in action at all, the fact that the Bush administration has the sheer audacity to critisise Russia for moving into the region, only after the initial assault by Georgia (which does not smack of a democractic process to me) makes him even more of a hypocritical laughing stock in the eyes of the rest of the world than he already is.

    You are confused mate, by taking mainstream media sources at their word, also by failing to understand that there is a hidden agenda here regarding the role of the US in this latest little drama.

    Take a look at the same old major players involved. Once again I feel the present US Admin are behind yet more world unrest.
     
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    You are blaming Bush for Russia's invasion of Ossestia?
     
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    There you go again, listening to mainstream media. Why did Russia enter Ossetia?

    Because Georgian troops launched a massive assault on the breakaway province of South Ossetia. The US most definitely had a hand in this action.

    I expect a full apology from you, when this is found to be the case and mark my words, it most certainly will.
     
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    I expect you to offer evidence and facts before spouting out unfounded accusations.
     
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    EXACTLY, not amused. BRAVO!! But the brainwashed will continue to buy into the hypocritical spin from the bushies. (because they refuse to read the facts and THINK for THEMSELVES)


    One can hardly believe what one reads on here at times. It is like they llive in Alice's wonderland. It is almost like listening to CNN which spews nothing but USG propaganda.
     
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    Still waiting on your proof that Bush orchestrated this whole thing.

    I agree, it is like Alice's wonderland when people throw out accusations but offer no proof to back them up.
     
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    BRAVO!! Its frustrating to hear people mindlessly quoting their state run Socialist media and claiming its the Free Press in America thats working from an agenda.
     
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