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Justinian said:
As liberals do, they'd rather change the way they think than fight for what they believe in. You guys are the ones that became slaves. I'm personally so Goddamn mad about this it's not even...I don't even want to talk about it. It's so bad what's happening to this country, it's best not to talk about it.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.


Frankly though, it seems a bit foolish to ask someone to swear an oath upon something that is utterly meaningless to them.
 
Hey Folks

Think for myself said:
That is hilarious.

I am an atheist, and I would refuse to swear upon anything.

However, If a Muslim wants to swear on the Koran, i agree that he has the right to.
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I think the point here is I don't want accomodation for them because no one ever asked US if we wanted to immigrate Muslims here. Did they ask you? They certainly didn't ask me. Personally, I want them out. I don't want them here and I'd kill them before making a mockery of our justice system and our ancestral institutions. And I HATE, I HATE I HATE the ACLU!
 
Justinian said:
I think the point here is I don't want accomodation for them because no one ever asked US if we wanted to immigrate Muslims here. Did they ask you? They certainly didn't ask me. Personally, I want them out. I don't want them here and I'd kill them before making a mockery of our justice system and our ancestral institutions. And I HATE, I HATE I HATE the ACLU!
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Are you joking? People are constitutionally allowed to practice the religion of their choice. Heck, this country was settled by people who were seeking religious freedom among other things.
 
Justinian said:
I think the point here is I don't want accomodation for them because no one ever asked US if we wanted to immigrate Muslims here. Did they ask you? They certainly didn't ask me. Personally, I want them out. I don't want them here and I'd kill them before making a mockery of our justice system and our ancestral institutions. And I HATE, I HATE I HATE the ACLU!
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Did anyone ask the Native Americans if they wanted a group of smelly, diseased, evangelical Europeans showing up and taking their lands by way of subversion and force of arms? Tend to doubt it.

But their opinions wouldn't matter much to you anyway, would they?
 
Justinian said:
I think the point here is I don't want accomodation for them because no one ever asked US if we wanted to immigrate Muslims here. Did they ask you? They certainly didn't ask me. Personally, I want them out. I don't want them here and I'd kill them before making a mockery of our justice system and our ancestral institutions. And I HATE, I HATE I HATE the ACLU!
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Then I take it you are against the Constitution, the law of the land and what defines us as Americans.
 
Sgt Schultz said:
Then I take it you are against the Constitution, the law of the land and what defines us as Americans.
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...rganizations/A/American Civil Liberties Union

It's that pesky ACLU thing. While I am sure that not everyone agrees with everything that the ACLU does, the fight for the civil liberties of everyone. This is not the first time they have defended the Klan.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued Cincinnati on Tuesday to force it to grant the Ku Klux Klan a permit to display a cross for Christmas.

Scott Greenwood, the group's lawyer representing the Klan's Knight Riders group, sued in Federal District Court to challenge a city ordinance prohibiting the displays of symbols that might incite violence.

The council enacted the ordinance in October after debating ways of avoiding the turmoil that surrounded a cross erected by the Klan last Christmas. Vandals attacked the 10-foot wooden cross, and the police had to establish 24-hour vigils to protect the display.

The lawsuit asks Judge Carl Rubin to allow the Knight Riders to display the cross Dec. 19 to Dec. 29 on Fountain Square downtown. Mr. Greenwood contends that the City Council enacted the ordinance just to prohibit the cross.
 
Think for myself said:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...rganizations/A/American Civil Liberties Union

It's that pesky ACLU thing. While I am sure that not everyone agrees with everything that the ACLU does, the fight for the civil liberties of everyone. This is not the first time they have defended the Klan.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued Cincinnati on Tuesday to force it to grant the Ku Klux Klan a permit to display a cross for Christmas.

Scott Greenwood, the group's lawyer representing the Klan's Knight Riders group, sued in Federal District Court to challenge a city ordinance prohibiting the displays of symbols that might incite violence.

The council enacted the ordinance in October after debating ways of avoiding the turmoil that surrounded a cross erected by the Klan last Christmas. Vandals attacked the 10-foot wooden cross, and the police had to establish 24-hour vigils to protect the display.

The lawsuit asks Judge Carl Rubin to allow the Knight Riders to display the cross Dec. 19 to Dec. 29 on Fountain Square downtown. Mr. Greenwood contends that the City Council enacted the ordinance just to prohibit the cross.
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Yeah the ACLU is an upstanding organization all right:rolleyes:

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/ACLU.pdf
 
Sgt Schultz said:
traditionalvalues.org = only our version of christian values are valid. All else is just downright un-American. :rolleyes:
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Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
from its own writings



by Diane Dew

Ever notice how the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian - pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God -- and, except for atheism, anti-religion?

It calls itself the American Civil Liberties Union, but the ACLU is not American; it is uncivil (to the unborn, which are shredded mercilessly to pieces without anesthetic); and it knows nothing of true liberty, which can only be found in Jesus Christ, when one is set free from the bondage of all the SIN this evil organization PROMOTES!

Stated Goals

The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)

The ACLU is destructive to the fabric of our society. Christians must recognize Satan as the source - the instigator - when the end results of an organization's efforts are only "to kill, to steal, and to destroy." All we need to is examine the (rotten) fruit.

Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);

the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);

the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);

the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);

the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);

opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);

opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);

opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)

-- not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).

Following is a case in point (from David Barton's "America: To Pray or Not to Pray").

In 1988, California was considering adopting legislation on sex education for public schools requiring that course material and
instruction should stress that monogamous heterosexual intercourse within marriage is a traditional American value.

The Senator promoting the bill received a letter of protest from the ACLU dated April 18, 1988 stating:

"It is our position that monogamous, heterosexual intercourse within marriage
as a traditional American value is an unconstitutional establishment of religious
doctrine in public schools.... We believe [this bill] violates the First Amendment."

Truth is, liberals are unwilling to simply let others be, but rather seek to impose their UNgodliness upon Christians. It is a mission to
them and other atheists to pervert the freedoms of others. The ACLU does not run to the defense of those who are harmed; it aggressively
seeks out opportunities to corrupt pure freedoms.

Finances

How does the ACLU pay for its activities?

George Grant, author of "Trial and Error," puts the ACLU's annual budget (1993) at $14 MILLION (FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLARS) - much of which is "SUPPLIED BY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER through the Federal program mandated by the Civil Rights Attorneys' Fee Awards Act of 1976. If the ACLU wins a case that involves a public institution, for instance, the organization collects the full legal fees of its attorneys even though those attorneys offered their services pro bono (without charge).

Membership

1993 membership in the ACLU was 250,000 members, with 70 staff lawyers, and 5,000 volunteer attorneys, handling an average of 6,000 cases at any one time.

You can read about the ACLU at the ACLU's official web site: http://aclu.org/

:rolleyes:
 
I'm well aware of what the ACLU stands for. I may not agree with all of their stances but they fight for the rights of all Americans. Unlike traditionalvalues.org which is only interested in having all Americans succumb to what they deem is the proper values to hold.
 
KingBall said:
Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
from its own writings



by Diane Dew

Ever notice how the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian - pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God -- and, except for atheism, anti-religion?
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Well...that's very strange given all these cases the ACLU has taken up (you sure we're talking about the same organization?): http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/


ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights


But..well...wait a sec here, maybe you just don't hear about them because they don't support your agenda?
 
Coyote said:
Well...that's very strange given all these cases the ACLU has taken up (you sure we're talking about the same organization?): http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/


ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights


But..well...wait a sec here, maybe you just don't hear about them because they don't support your agenda?
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oh well whattaya know....those pesky dern things called facts. damn you coyote!
 
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