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Reason vs. Faith...

Discussion in 'Culture & Religion' started by GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus, May 31, 2008.

  1. GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus

    GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus New Member

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    Reason vs. Faith---can they live side by side without conflict? For me the answer is a resounding no.

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    Interesting premise to consider. I actually think that they can... but you have to have a very open mind. Bear with me here... :)

    I think for instance one could be extremely scientifically based (as I am) but still leave open the possibility that there could be something out there they have yet to learn

    If forced to a straight up or down argument I personally would have to go with science every time. But I can still respect others "faith" in whatever. In fact I think in some ways I'd actually like to be convinced... not brainwashed... really scholastically convinced. But that's never been the case.

    To me this is why separation of church and state is so important. Government has enough problems with just trying to set up some semblance of fair laws and procedures without all the widely varying religious beliefs that exist colliding in a "God loves us best" values battle.

    Give me your feedback my friend. I'm interested in your take. :)
     
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    the possibility of what? the supernatural? that clearly sets up a conflict.


    I'll go out on a limb here---bear with me[:eek:]...
    not gonna happen in this lifetime.
    :rolleyes:

    faith is a subjective thing that has no place in public policy. of course one's faith influences things and I am okay with that up to a point, the point being religious traditions, tenets and doctrine as civil law.

    I am no fan of Ayn's Objectivism, but they use very credible and valid arguments in their case against faith being reasonable.

    here is a link...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xKGZMwaIG8
    fyi,

    and i am a liberal
    :cool:
     
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    Why not?

    If political philosophy can be based on 'self-evident truths', and logic can be base on a set of axioms, then why not faith?
     
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    OK dude... back off... I'm on your side! :)

    All I was saying was I can respect someone else's belief in the "supernatural" while I personally do not believe it has any place in public policy.

    Whew........ even my own team tackles me!
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    Reason and faith are very consistent. Thats my take.
     
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    do you know any real people?
     
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    my side? I have no side. :eek:

    what I do have is very strong opinions.

    :cool:
     
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    allow me to think this one through...
     
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    what are you asking? are you comparing faith to a political philosophy? I know you can't be comparing faith to reason.
     
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    I am not sure I understand the question. As far as I know all the people I meet are real.

    Are you trying to ask if I know of any people who are rational and have faith? Then almost all of them are.
     
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    you wrote that reason and faith were consistent.

    consistent with what?
     
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    I guess your signature leads me to believe you have nothing in common with the people you claim to meet. I mean no offense, but...
     
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    Reason and faith are consistent with each other.

    Many reasoned people can add to their understanding of the world by also having faith based ideas.
     
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    You and I obviously come from such different places that we are going to need to work extra hard to understand each other.

    My signature means that I think Sen. Clinton would like to make choices for the American people that they should make for themselves. It also indicates that this is a quality like communism to a degree.

    The people I meet who are both rational and have faith may or may not agree with this. I just don't see the relevance.
     
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