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Redoubt erupts...Jindal looks like a fool

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Popeye, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. Popeye

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    Remember how, during his speech last month, Bobby Jindal, in addition to telling lies about what he did during Katrina, also mocked the Obama administration for "wasteful spending" in the stimulus bill, including "$140 million for something called "volcano monitoring'"?

    Despite what the GOP may tell you, volcano monitoring is important work...case in point.. Alaska's Mount Redoubt erupted last night and thanks to the volcano monitoring that Jindal and his stupid GOP buddies think we don't need, the USGS has known for months that it was on the point of blowing.

    Sometimes I really wonder about Republicans...were they born this way or did they become fools over time?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-alaska-volcano24-2009mar24,0,5657933.story
     
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    Everyone knows volcano monitoring is important

    you dont like Bobby Jindal so you try to find ways to bash him, were tables turned you would say to me what I am about to say to you.

    He said it had no place in the stim bill, it was not going to stimulate jobs and create new jobs, it would at best fund existing jobs that may already have funding.

    besides everyone knows that volcano in Alaska only blew up because it was mad at Palin :)
     
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    I guess Jindal would have been looked at with more favor if he had of commandeered a rescue vessel to service his needs of getting $90,000 out of his freezer. This little thread is what I like to call grasping at straws. We cant find anything else to bash the guy over so lets create something. Not to mention that Jindal has a more impressive voting history as a Congressmen, than Obama had as Senator. Voted more than just "present".
     
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    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    No doubt volcano monitoring is important. If (and that's a big if) an eruption can be predicted, then people can get out of the way. That's a no brainer. What I don't get is just where in the Constitution does the federal government have the responsibility for monitoring volcanoes?
     
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    Jindal certainly made a misstep by taking issue with this miniscule part of the stimulus package. There were certainly more wasteful issues, but his speechwriters decided to make it a punchline, that has ultimately backfired on him.

    No, it would go into placing more monitoring stations, increasing capacity to more closely watch other volcanos, and giving fair warning to those who might be effected by the fallout from such occurances. It would increase the money in private industries by those who are contracted to place those instruments, and transport those individuals. With the high price of fuels, the small air taxis that are very critical to Alaska could certainly use the bump.
     
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    In all fairness, I made a thread about this over a month ago. That this volcano was going to erupt and that I might have to disappear for a few days until the whole thing settled.
    http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6659
    So in terms of predicting an eruption the constant monitoring has made the situation much more predictable. It allowed me to gather enough resources to sustain myself should a major ash fall occur here.

    When the news came of the eruption late last night, most Alaskans that were in the potential fall out zones knew the eruption occurred. Not only that, they knew where the ash cloud was drifting and could alert those that might be effected. Fortunatly for me, the ash went in the other direction, and it is unfortunate for those effected.
    This does not mean I am by any means out of the woods, the wind has shifted and I could be effected and I am glad to know the warnings will come in time for those on the ground to prepare enough to secure thier electronics and vehicles and ensure the safety of humans and pets.

    As for Congressional oversight, it certainly falls under the guise of regulating interstate and foreign commerce. Considering Anchorage is a major hub for international air cargo, it would be wise the feds to monitor these events as they can cause not only a major interuption of the flow of goods, but could potentially cause a major loss of life when it come to air travel. Thankfully, with the current monitoring and tracking programs that have evolved since the incident, hopefully a similar scenario that happened with KLM 867 can be avoided.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867
     
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    A few things. Firstly, this volcano is not done erupting. It will continue and it is likely it could once again cover the major urban area in the state, Anchorage.
     
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    This coming from a professional in the subject.
     
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    That should be something taken care of by the state where the volcano is. Not federal taxpayer dollars.
     
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    I disagree, as I said before volcanic eruptions can have a devastating impact on interstate and international economic trade routes from ash fall.

    Also, there is a real danger that the seismic activity associated with eruptions can trigger tsumanis which as you know can cause massive damage and death from very long distances.

    Volcano and tsunami warnings need to be a very coordinated effort as to minimize the potential impact.
     
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    national security? you know, saving lives of Americans so they are not killed by one? Also the US saved Billions in US Military hardware before, with a small investment ( far less then the savings) when a volcano was shown to be ready to go up soon, so they moved stuff from a nearby us air force base out...just in time. had it gone up with them there, they would have all been wrecked.
     
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    Another good point. At nearby Elmendorf AFB, it gave the Air Force enough warning to get all of its F-15s into hangars, and the other heavier aircraft temporarily based elsewhere.

    Most importantly considering the situation at Elmendorf, it is home to 20 of the latest and most expensive fighters in the world, the F-22(amazing machines). Those planes were sent to the lower 48 in anticipation of this event.

    Not to mention the impact ash has on the untold amount of money worth of Government owned military/nonmilitary vehicles and electronics that would be damaged or destroyed if the necessary precautions are not taken.

    Also, I heard on local radio today, that the predicted area of ashfall was basically spot on, and the locals effected had time to secure what was necessary before the event happened.
     
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    Also we have oil that passes threw that area, that could be effected in its flow due to earthquakes, Ash, and fire from the volcano . A Chevron fuel facility is near the base of it, and has of course been shut down, and fuel removed from many of its tanks. I would doubt anyone can doubt energy supply and flow is a national issue worth spending on.

    Just more reasons why more lawmakers, ( more on the right) should try actually knowing what they are talking about when they cry about Pork spending...so they don't end up attacking national security , safety issues, that also save money.
     

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